The Rafi-Kishore saga
The following article appeared in The Statesman,Calcutta, on Aug.7 th 2005. It will give more food for thought to the ongoing debate about the Rafi personality and magic – Mohan Flora .
Mohd. Rafi was the greatest playback singer, asserts Ranjan Das Gupta as he pays tribute on the melody kings 25th death anniversary. Rafi was a classically trained singer while Kishore was naturally endowed with excellent resonance. The latter was a versatile genius, singer, music director, actor, writer and director all rolled into one. Both were proficient singers but had separate individual styles.
In the 1950s Rafi literally ruled the roost. He was the most favoured singer for veteran composers like Naushad, S.D. Burman, Shanker Jaikishan, Madan Mohan while Kishore was preferred by S.D. Burman and Salil Choudhury who was playback mainly for Dev Anand and his own films. Rafi on the other hand could balance his melodious voice for diverse stars like Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand, Guru Dutt, Rajendra Kumar and Shammi Kapoor.
It is an astonishing fact that O.P. Nayar used Rafi to sing for Kishore Kumar the unforgettable tune Man Mora Bawra in Ragini in 1957. Shanker Jaikishan also had Rafi to sing Ajab Hai Dastan in Shararat in 1958. Says record museum owner Vinod Santhalia, It is simply amazing. Imagine Mohd. Rafi sang for Kishore Kumar in films Kishore himself acted.
Shanker Jaikishan commented, No doubt Kishore Kumar is a good singer. He sang beautifully for me in Rangoli. But Ajab Hai Dastan was simply not Kishores cup of tea. The mukhdas and antaras required a singer of Rafis range and classical background.
Although Kishore Kumar felt bad about this, he could only marvel at Rafis brilliant rendering of the two songs. Rafi characteristically remarked, No one else except Kishore could sing Dukhi Man Mera in Funtoosh so well.
Salil Choudhury was not favourably inclined towards Rafi at one point of time, but even he was compelled to use Rafi for the unforgettable Tootey Huey Khuabo Nay in Madhumati and Koi Soney Ke Dil Wala in Maya and confess that Rafi was indeed peerless.
It is generally known that Rafi and Kishore went through a bad patch in their relationship. Yet it is also true that both liked and respected each other. S.D. Burman openly admitted to Kishore that the three solos in Guide by Rafi could not be matched by any singer. On Dev Anands special request, he composed the Kishore-Lata super hit duet Gata Rahe Mera Dil for Guide. Similarly, Rafis numbers in Teen Deviyan and the haunting duet with Lata Mangeshkar in Jewel Thief were far superior to the Kishore numbers in these films.
In the late 60s when R.D. Burman composed the melody for Tum Bin Jaaun Kahan in Pyar Ka Mausam, he experimented the same solo with both Rafi and Kishore. True, Kishore sang this number by melodiously incorporating his inimitable yodelling. But in the romantic number, Rafi scored over Kishore in melody.
The 60s was also considered Rafis decade though Kishore matured considerably as a singer during this period. The Jungle Mein Mangal number Woh Din Ke Baat Sharan Karo had both Rafi and Kishore together but is somehow not remembered that well. But Shanker Jaikishans Hanste Gate Jahan Se Guzar in Andaz by Rafi quite eclipsed Kishores entire Zindagi Ek Safar in 1971.
Madan Mohan also used both Rafi and Kishore in the song Yu Na Sharma for Parwana in 1972. Kishore sang the happy rendition for hero Navin Nischal. But there was Rafi again to do full justice to the Are Hansnewale, the melancholic aspect of the same song for Amitabh Bachchan.
In the 1970s the Kishore Kumar wave took the Hindi film music by storm and was backed by R.D. Burman. Some critics felt R.D was partial to Kishore and avoided using Rafi. The Rafi Kishore duet Yaadon Ki Barat from the film with the same title in 1973 turned out to be a superhit. But it cannot be categorised either as an exclusive Rafi or a Kishore gem for both sang in perfect harmony.
Subsequently, R.D. Burman opted for Rafi again after four years as no other singer could have rendered so skillfully Chand Mera Dil and Kya Hua in Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahin; that too in a film with many Kishore Kumar superhits like Mil Gaya and Aa Meri Jaan.
When Rafi sang Darde Dil for Laxmikant Pyarelal in Karz in1980 based on a single note, he proved melody was indeed God-gifted to him, remembers upcoming singer Sujan Bose. Kishores Ay Mere Umar Ke and Ek Hasina Thi could not touch that level. The same can be said for Rajesh Roshan’s Yarana where Rafi’s Aare Re Aisa Tarana completely surpassed Kishore’s Sara Zamana and Tere Jaisa.
Mohd. Rafi left for his heavenly abode on 31 July, 25 years ago. Remembers author Nabaran Bhattacharya, The photo of a silent, sad and grief-struck Kishore in the newspapers portrayed very well that no one except him understood what an irreparable loss had taken place in Indian film music.
As Kishore himself said when Jagjit Singh criticised the Rafi gharana, How dare these so-called ghazal singers criticise an icon that Manna Dey, Mukesh and I dare not criticise. Rafi was unique.
Are Baangro!
flora bhai ek kaam kijiye….Is waar ka to koi end nahin hai so aap mujhe TUM BIN JAAON KAHAN ka romantic & sad version (rafi sahab) ka video bhej dijiye & my e-mail adress”:-vetaal_diana@rediffmail.com
i don’t have movie so i hope may you help me.
Friends!
I recently came across a book named “Malaysian Film, Asian Cinema: Border Crossings and National Culturesâ€. In some context, the author speaks about the popularity and influence Mr. P. Ramlee – a Malaysian Hero of the 60s – has among the present day youth. To highlight Ramlee’s popularly the author draws examples from India cinema in the following manner: “an Indian equivalent to such a popular culture ‘hero’ would have to be a combination of Raj Kapoor (director/ actor), Dilip Kumar (actor), S. D. Burman (composer) and Mohammed Rafi (playback singer)â€.
Source: William van der Heide, Malaysian Cinema, Asian Film: Border Crossings and National Cultures (Amsterdam: Amsterdam University Press, 2002), p 14.
Dear Avi,
We are talking only in terms of film fare nominations only. The analysis are as per actual data from film fare website. These are not many creations. Please go and verify the nominations data and come back.
We are aware that KK sang for many actors apart from Rajesh Khanna & Amitabh. In 60s 70s Kishore has sang for Dev Anand also. Dev Anand though got many contribution from Rafi but still claims KK as his voice.
We are also aware that Rafi sang for Dilip Kumar but Mukesh and Talat also contributed. Rafi has contributed for Rajesh Khanna but doesn’t come under the nominations criteria. Plus I don’t consider Rafi as Rajesh Khanna’s voice. Rafi has sang for Amitabh also and gets one nomination.
Continuing further analysis in the about article
Mohd Rafi
Out of 22 nominations in all Shammi Kapoor and Rajendra Kapoor known to be Rafi’s voice contribute 6 nominations in all i.e. 27%. Rishi Kapoor gives 2 nominations i.e. 9 %. Rest all actors None & Unnone provide single contribution.
Mukesh
Out of 14 in total nominations Raj Kapoor known to be Mukesh’s voice contribute 4 nominations in all i.e. 28%. Manoj Kumar contributes 4 nominations i.e. 28%. Mahendra Kapoor is known to be Manoj Kumar’s voice. Amitabh contributes 2 nominations i.e. 14% and sames applies to Shashi Kapoor contributing 2 nominations i.e. 14%.
Kishore Kumar
Out of 28 nominations in total Rajesh Khanna & Amitabh Bachchan known to KK’s voice contribute 20 nominations in all i.e. 71%. Rajesh Khanna – 39% and Amitabh – 32%. Rishi Kapoor provides 2 nominations which comes out to be 7%. Rest all actors None & Unnone provide single contribution.
Dear Anmol,
Good Job. I appreciate ur work but i am sorry to say you are little biased.
As 50-60 era are golden in our hindi film industry where music played important role than actor and Rafi was only dominated singer and he sang for almost all actors of that time.
In Rafi’s nomination, all actor were well established actors like Guru Dutt, Sunil Dutt etc. as kishore got for well established actors.
After 69 Kishore sang for almost all actors who came to industry but of course he was always nominated for great actor like amitabh, Rajesh khanna.
Kishore sang for Tariq shah in “Yaadon ki Baarat”
He sang for Vijay Arora in “GAUTAm GOVINDA”,”YAADON KI BAARAT”. One of the greatest work done by KISHORE-LP combination. “EK ritu aaye ek ritu jaaye”..One of my fav.
He sang for Sanjay Khan in Abdulla, Trimurti and many film.
He sang for Mithun in many films
He sang for Rakesh Roshan, Amol Palekar in many films.
He sang for ANIL DHAWAN in many films like ANNADATA, PIYA KA GHAR
He sang for Farooq Sheikh in Anand-milind first composition
He sang for Sanjeev kumar in many films.
He sang for Jagdeep in KHILOUNA
He sang for Mehmood in many films
He sang for Kiran kumar…MUJHE MERI BIWI SE BACHAO
He sang for Vinod Mehra in many films
He sang for Ashok kumar
He sang for Parikshit Sahani in “PAVITRA PAPI” …. Teri duniya se hoke majboor chala………..
He sang for most of the unpopular actors like Parikshit Sahani, Jagdeep, Kiran Kumar, Tariq shah, Navin Nischal, Pran, Ashok kumar, Jagdeep, And
newcomer like
Sunny Deol, Anil Kapoor, Mithun, Govinda, Sanjay Dutt and many more after 79.
So Anmol sorry to say you are biased.
Some Analysis of Success criteria of 3 great singers of all times – Souce Filmfare & National awards.
Mohd Rafi
Nomi Song Actor Success
1960 Chaudavin Ka Chand Guru Dutt Won
1961 Teri Pyari Surat Rajendra K Won
1961 Huswale Tera Jawab Sunil Dutt
1962 Aai Gulbadan Shammi K
1963 Mere Mehboob Rajendra K
1964 Chahunga Mein Tujhe Unnone Won
1965 Chu Lene Do Raj Kumar
1966 Baharon Phool Basaao Rajendra K Won
1968 Dil Ke Jhoroke Shammi K Won
1968 Mein Gaavun Tum Shammi K
1968 Babul Ki Duvayen Balraj Sahni
1969 Badi Mastani Hi Jitendra
1970 Kilona Jaan Kar Sanjeev K
1973 Ham Ko To Jaan Shashi K
1974 Accha Hi Hua Unnone
1977 Kya Hua Tera Wada Tariq S Won
1977 Parda Hai Parda Rishi K
1978 Aadmi Musafir Hai Sudhir Dalvi
1979 Chalo Re Doli Background
1980 Mre Dost Kissa Amithab B
1980 Maine Poocha Chand Sanjay Khan
1980 Dard E- Dil Rishi K
The above analysis show that Rafi could get a nomination by singing for
any actor. He could manage to win in 1964 by singing for an unnone
actor. During KK & Rajesh K dominance after 1969 he could manage
nominations by singing for Sanjeev K, Shashi K, Rishi K & Amitabh. He
managed nominations by singing for small time actors in 70s like Sudhir
Dalvi & Tariq Shah. He wins a film fare & National aware for the same
song picturized on Tariq Shah. This indeed speaks the Rafi’s success is
not personality dependent. He can sing for any actor.
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Mukesh
Nomi Song Actor Success
1959 Sub Kuch Sikha Raj K Won
1961 Hothon Pe Sacchai Raj K
1964 Dost Dost Na Rah Raj K
1967 Sawan Ka Mahina Sunil D
1970 Sabse Bada Nadan Manoj K Won
1972 Jai Bolo Beiman Manoj K Won
1972 Ek Pyar Ka Nagma Manoj K
1974 Main Na Bhooloonga Manoj K
1974 Kai Baar Yun Bhi Background Won
1976 Kabhie Kabhie Mere Amitabh Won
1976 Main Pal Do Pal Amitabh
1976 Ek Din Bik Jayenga Raj K
1977 Suhaani Chandni Shashi K
1978 Chancahl Sheetal Shashi K
Mukesh has been termed as Raj Kapoors voice, but the above analysis
reveal that he wins nominations by singing for many other actors apart
from Raj Kapoor. We wins wards singing for Manoj Kumar and Amitabh B.
This shows though Mukesh has sang less number of songs compared to Rafi and KK but manages to win awards in the early seventies during the KK and Rajesh K era. In order words Mukesh though claimed to be Raj
Kapoor’s voice is also not personality dependent in terms of success. It speaks of Mukesh’s verstality.
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Kishore Kumar
Nomi KK Actor Success
1969 Roop Tera Mastana Rajesh K Won
1971 Zindagi Ek Safar Rajesh K
1971 Yeh Jo Mohabbat Hai Rajesh K
1972 Chingari Koi Rajesh K
1973 Yeh Jo Mohabbat Rajesh K
1973 Mere Dil Mein Aaj Rajesh K
1974 Mera Jeevan Vijay Anand
1974 Gaadi Bula Rahi Hai Unnone
1975 Dil Aisa Kisi Uttam K Won
1975 Main Pyaasa Tu Amitabh B
1975 O Manjhi Re Background
1977 Aap Ke Anurodh Rajesh K
1978 Khaike Paan Amitabh B Won
1978 O Saathi Re Amitabh B
1978 Hum Bewafa Harghiz Dharmendra
1979 Ek Rashta Hai Shashi K
1980 Hazar Rahen Rajesh K Won
1980 Om Shanthi Om Rishi K
1981 Hame Tumse Pyar Rajesh K
1981 Choo Kar Mere Mann Amitabh B
1982 Pag Ghogroo Mira Amitabh B Won
1983 Agar Tum Na Hote Rajesh K Won
1983 Shayad Meri Shaadi Rajesh K
1984 Manzilem Apne Amitabh B Won
1984 Shayad Meri Shaadi Amitabh B
1984 Inteh Ho Gayi Amitabh B
1984 Log Kehete Hai Main Amitabh B
1985 Sagar Kinare Rishi K Won
In case of KK actors like Rajesh K and Amitabh B play a very vital role. Out of 8 awards won 6 have been contributed by Rajesh K and Amitabh.
Rest of the 2 contributed by Uttam K and Rishi K. In others words an
actor’s on screen performance plays a very vitual role in KK’s success.
Even after Rafi’s and Mukesh’s departure, the maximum contributions of
nominations came from Rajesh K & Amitabh B between 1981-85, though KK sang a lot for Jitendra under Bappi Lahri. Therefore the analysis
reveal that KK’s success is very much personality dependent though he
is a very verstile singer.
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Thanks Avi! Now, let’s continue the discussion creatively hereinafter with no accusations or throwing filth at each other. Avi and Shankar, since you are real Kishore fans and more knowledgeable about him, could you please tell us, how Kishore Kumar evaluated his success in the 70s, especially his working experience with RD Burman and later on LP and Rafi Sahab himself? Was he happy with the songs given to him or was he looking for more challenging numbers? Was he fond of any song (of his own as well as of others)? I have heard the live concert in Khandwa, where he mentioned that “Rafi Sahab hamare bhai ki tarah theâ€. Could you enlighten us on the friendship both shared? Certainly, this is not a test, just to enhance our knowledge about the real Kishore Kumar. I am sure, Rafi fans here, to name only a few, Mohan Flora, Sagar, Ali, Asif, Unknow, Sungma, and many other Rafians who are commenting in other forums in this site will be happy to provide similar information about Rafi Sahab, if you would love.
Regards
Nair
Dear Mohanflora,
I agreed to you that Rafi was/is legend. He could sing any song but KISHORE was also not behind.
Both singers are machless. Both have done justice to their indivisual songs.
NoOne can sing what KISHORE has sung and same true in case of Rafi.
As long as people give respect to both. I don’t have any issue.
SDBurman had once remarked in a 1973 song recording session that there can be only one Rafi and he can sing the kind of songs which no one else can, that is why he always took Rafi, even for one song in a film, to satisfy his creative urges. In fact, if you hear the songs down the years, SDB had a great influence on sculpting Rafi’s singing roughness(if any!) into the silky smoothness his singing brought right into the seventies. People remember/listen to more of the SDB/Rafi songs than that of any other singer.
The debate will go on and on between amateurs and immature people like us but the veterans, professionals, sangeet academics, University Chairs, bollywood musicians and polls have already shown so far that Rafi was/is the best singer we ever had. No doubt about that.
In the meantime, people like avi, shankar, sagar, nair , anonymous and myself will try to satisfy our creative urges on a topic which already has a foregone conclusion. Let us go forward , guys!
Dear Sagar,
I don’t have any issue if you like Rafi and fair enough if you don’t like KISHORE but don’t try to degrade him.
Last month in Manna Dey’s interview, Again he said KISHORE was the best.
Saagr, Pls. listen a song from “DeshPremi”.
“Khatun ki khidmat me salaam aapun ka”…KISHORE imitated Mehmood and it was fantastic. U can compare this song with “HUM KAALE HAI TO KYA HUA DILWALE HAI”…sung by Rafi.
If u know music as u said then u must say KISHORE was better than Rafi when u compare these 2 songs.
Sagar, U r saying there is no big deal in chewing PAAN and sing. But i feel anyone can sing that song including Rafi but they could not made that song as immoratal as KISHORE did.
Anandji from KalyanJI-ANandji group once said, KISHORE like singer born one in 1000 year.
Dear Anonymous, If kishore was average singer then why prople want to listen him. For you he may be average singer but for me he is genious, greatest among all and there is no match for him.
Boss, RD was not godfather, SDB was the person who promoted KISHORE as Nausad promoted Rafi.
If Naushad was not there then i think RAfi would have been singing in the chorus till the end of his life.
Manna Dey made the declaration that Mohammed Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar are the best singers of India in the first interview after receiving Padma Vibhushan in January 2005. It was reported by all the leading national dailies and film magazines. The interview brought forward by Avi and subsequently emphasized by Shankar dates back to May 2004.
Manney Day’s statement is only an endorsement from a co-singer about Rafi. This is why it was emphasized by many fans here. Rafi’s greatness needs no endorsement, but it was needed for those who cannot understand true music and keep on saying that Kishore Kumar – an average singer – is the best.
Jo bahar khud kehlaaye
Har kali ka dil mehkaaye
unhein boolon ki kya zaroorat?
Manna Dey is the one who has said that Rafi was the greatest singer no.1 to no. 10. I had already left a clip in one of my comments to that effect.
However, if some of the KK fans are coming down to appoint Manna Dey as the judge, here are some more links which you can click to read his views. For those who don’t have time to read all, I am giving some attached clips.
1) http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1307253,00110005.htm
Clip:- Characteristically, Dey is effusive in his praise of playback singer Mohammed Rafi.
“Rafi, Lata and Asha are my favourite singers. I think of Rafi as the top singer (sic) in the world. He was a gift of God just like Lata Mangeshkar. No one can learn to sing like them,” he says.
2) http://www.glamsham.com/movies/interviews/manna_dey.asp
Clip:-I used to feel sad initially. But I am very content now after having been a contemporary of singers like Mohammad Rafi, Lata Mangeshkar and Talat Mehmood on one side and several great music directors on the other,” Dey said.
“I have sung for heroes, villains, comedians and side role characters. Not everybody gets that opportunity,” he said.
For Dey, there have never been other singers like Mohammad Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar.
“People may disagree with me, but I know for a fact that Rafi was not that well versed with classical music. Few know that he has worked under me as a chorus singer when I was an assistant director,” Dey said.
“But that was his greatness. His voice was god’s gift, which not everybody gets.
3)http://www.littleindia.com/september2004/AiMerePyareWatan.htm
Clip:-Anil Biswas also said that you were the only singer who took notation for every song and had it done in one take, and that you could sing everything Rafi or Kishore or Mukesh or Talat Mehmood could sing, but they could not sing everything you sang.
That is very generous of him. He was very fond of me, but I don’t think there is anyone to touch Mohd Rafi. It is true I took notations and got every song right in one rehearsal. I even tried to teach Lata and Asha how to take notations, but these girls after the initial enthusiasm of wanting to know would not follow through!
Tell me about Rafi. Not too many people know that you pulled Rafi out of a chorus line and gave him his break.
Rafi was junior to me and did sing very often in the chorus when I sang the lead, but then I found out what a rare talent he had and knew he would be incomparable in any field, but especially in the field of film singing. There were some songs of mine that were in a league of their own, but in Rafi’s case anything he sang was incredible. In fact there were times my uncle K.C Dey would be composing a tune and I would assist him. Once he was composing a song for a film called Justice and I was assisting him. When the tune was ready he said “Let Rafi know.†I said, “Know what,†and he said, “That the tune is ready and he has to sing this song.†I felt very hurt and said. “why? Can’t I sing it?†My uncle said, “No you cannot, only he can sing this.†I swallowed my pride and fetched him and then after he finished recording, I realized that indeed I could not have sung it as well as he did.
4) http://www.rediff.com/entertai/1999/sep/lata/lata8.htm
Clip:-We are a little old-fashioned, so we like songs which touch our hearts. The way she sang Laage na mora jiya or Satyam shivam sundaram nobody could match that. I can cite more examples. I listen to her and Rafi’s songs and sometimes even cry at the way they have sung those songs. They really touch your heart.
The amazing thing is that they (Lata and Rafi) are from this country, but people from all over the world listen to them and rejoice. Only they were destined to have this kind of undisputed talent.
5) http://www.geocities.com/anisharaja/othersay.html
Clip:-Manna Dey(singer)
“Despite being an educated singer, I could never reach Rafi’s height of popularity. And he sang very good songs that I could never hope to sing. His style was unique. I sing Rafi’s songs to myself when I am alone. He was a singer par excellence. He was an uneducated singer like Lata, but their voices are gifts of God. It cannot be anything else!”
“I have been singing for many years now. I have seen and heard so many singers. But the most brilliant of all singers and all songs are the ones sung by Mohammed Rafi! ”
“Mohammad Rafi was king, and Manna never grudged him his success because he genuinely believed that Rafi was better than he was! ”
“In my time, there were giant singers. Rafi was there, and he was such a great singer. He used to sing for everybody — the hero, the villain and the comedian. ”
“How can you ever dream of singing what legendary singer like Rafi have sung? I do not claim to come up to his standards. ”
6) http://www.blonnet.com/life/2005/02/18/stories/2005021800130300.htm
Clip:-The singer comments on actors and contemporary singers with reverence. About his contemporaries he says, “Rafi and I shared a great rapport and I doubt if he shared this with anybody else. Rafi instituted a tradition by himself and his style remains unique.I am indeed very lucky that in spite of the fact that there were greater singers than I, like Rafi, Asha and Lata, I was still sought after. I never cease to be surprised at the way these doyens sang. Their voices transport me to another world. I am honoured that I have been able to make a place for myself among them.”
7)http://movies.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1187536.cms
Clip:-“The love for the singer was visible when the Shanmukhananda Hall (Mumbai’s biggest public concert hall) was packed for a concert held on the eve of Rafi’s 25th death anniversary despite the city just recovering from last week’s flash-foods,” Iyyer said.
To be crowned greatest by music directors and fans is one thing. But to be given the same status by Manna Dey – a contemporary of Rafi and perhaps the only artiste who posed any competition to the former – proves the point.
“Many may disagree with me. But I know for a fact that Rafi was not very well trained classically. Yet he was the greatest and there can be none like him,” Dey had said.
Yet, no one else could have sung songs like “Madhuban Mein Radhika Naache Rey” (“Kohinoor”, 1960), “Man Tadapata Hari Darshana Ko Aaj” (“Baiju Bawra”, 1955) which are seeped in classical intonations.
Dey claimed that Rafi had even sung under him when he was an assistant music director at the beginning of both their careers.
Though Rafi survived the Kishore Kumar onslaught post-“Aradhana” (1969) with some memorable numbers like “Tum Jo Mil Gaye Ho” (“Hanste Zakhm”, 1970), “Teri Galiyon Mein…” (“Hawas”, 1974) and “Kya Hua Tera Wada” (“Hum Kisi Se Kam Nahin”, 1977), the musical language had changed beyond recognition by the late 70s.
The song that perhaps would have suited his mood best at the end of his career was “Chal Ud Jaa Rey Panchi Ke Ab Yeh Des Hua Begaana” (fly away o bird, this land is turned a stranger to you now) from the 1957 “Bhabhi”.
Dear Shankar,
Manny day said many time that Mohd Rafi is better than him.when some one asked Manny Day that u r good in romantic songs but why u didn’t singed much romantic no?Manny day answered because there was Mohd Rafi and Talat Mahmood who singed better than him,also he said if he were MD he will give songs to Mohd Rafi and Talat to sings.in 1960’s there was no male singer who would sing with Mohd Rafi there was only Manny Day who did.
Manny day is great singer the problem was with him Manny day had no God father as KK have(RD,Rajesh Khanna,Bachchan)
KK fans
Why Kishore converted to Islam and was renamed Karim Abdul?!!!!!
Hi rafi fans,
all of you have tried to quote manna dey about how he praised rafi etc. i wonder why none of you answered or bothered to answer to manna dey’s comments in the link posted by avi, which i’m posting again here:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra55.txt&writer=MITRA&validit=yes
read it and then tell me what you feel. for ur convenience, i’ll cut and paste the relevant parts here:
CM: You belong to a generation that produced the greatest male singers of our age. Who was the most talented of the lot?
MD: Undoubtedly Kishore. He was simply fantastic, especially considering he had no formal training in music. He was also a very colourful personality, always laughing and making others laugh. Of course, unlike us, he was very money-minded which was perhaps a good thing because those days, singers were often shortchanged. It is said he would walk out of a recording halfway if the money wasn’t paid. He had a driver called Abdul who would be sent off to the producer’s house to collect the fee in case it had not been paid in advance. Kishore would start singing but his expression would change according to the sign Abdul made from across the glass partition of the recording studio. He would beam if Abdul indicated in the positive, or make an excuse and stop midway if the indication was negative!
But his singing was just marvellous. I remember just staring at him almost to the point of losing my cue while recording Yeh dosti for Sholay. He was simply mesmerising.
CM: Getting back to singers of your time, how would you rate their abilities?
MD: Although I was closest to Talat Mahmood among the singers and felt sorry he destroyed himself by trying to become an actor, I believe Kishore was the best, followed by Rafi and Hemanta. Of them, Kishore and Hemanta had God-gifted voices. Rafi was a mix of a good voice and training. I honestly don’t place myself in the same category because mine is a trained voice. I have no hesitation in saying they were better than me.
Dear AVI,
I should really appreciate your love towards KK …..wish I had but the problem is that I like MUSIC not SHOUTING MUSIC… I never disagreed that KK was not good he was I have been saying he had a versatile voice but yaar don’t call him singer please nonetheless if you call him allrounder is fine because he himself lacked concentration level………..
In your previous blogs you said the following :
” Boss, pls. think again and again before write.
Immortal songs made by one and only KISHORE…
1. PAG GHUNGHAROO BANDH MEERA
2. NA KOI DIl ME SAMAYA
3. SALAME ISHQ MERI JAAN ”
Lets take one song at a time ……
KK Song Mohd.Rafi Sahab Song
PAG GHUNGROO BANDH MEERA … MADHUBAN MEIN RADHIKA …
NA KOI DIL MEIN SAMAYA.. TERA KAAM HAIN JALNA…….
SALAME ISHQ MERI JAAN…. PARDA HAIN PARDA…..
Now let the people select what do they like……and let me know which songs are immortal……………
Talking about the song which you get thrilled , then you are bluffing , can you please listen to the following songs by RAFI SAHAB
1.) Log to Markar Jalte Hoge mein jiteji jalta hun………
2.) Phir woh bhuli si yaad………..
Aur humne kab KK ko degrade kiya woh toh tum,ashwani,shankar blog likhe the jisko maine reply kiya…………..
Bhai agar tum KK ka baat karte ho toh mein Mohd.Rafi Sahab ka baat karunga …. And INSHALLAH kya galat kaha hain meine ..jo bhi kaha hain proof bhi diya hain…agar KK ke paas aisa koi gaana hain nahi aage lane ke liye toh humari kya galati hain……………..
Lata,Asha, etc were jealous of RAFI SAHAB they teamed up with RDB,KK,etc……….but as I already said ” JAB DHARTI LAGE PHATNE PRASAD LAGE BATNE “….Whenever there was need RAFI SAHAB was there………….
Lata may have said that she was afraid or had to prepare while singing with KK , she is right actually because LATA is a trained singer she sings …but she always had a question in mind how to sing with KK . Because whateva KK use to do was not a part of singing…..So may have said that statement. Whats the big deal if KK asked for PAN and sang KHAIKE PAAN BANARAS WAALA … Whats so special in that song tell me ????? Na Sur, Hain na KOI matlab …Better you listen ” SAR JO TERA CHAKRAYE ” you will feel better no need to eat PAAN.
KK fans if you get a chance please visit KK house on his birthday or death anniersary the first thing you will notice when you enter his house is that a 8 feet long MOHD.RAFI SAHAB potrait….. does that answer your question…When KK himsefl knew where he stood why don’t you guys accept it………….Just Chill and for now listen the following song.
1.) O AKALMAND O PHIKARMAND………….. duet by KK and RAFI SAHAB.
Regards
Sagar
Dear Avi!
Kishore is a good singer and I personally believe that he is much talented than many other singers like Mannadey (although he thinks he is of a special category, which I feel is a way to stay away from comparisons) and Mukesh (very limited range and monotonous voice). However, Rafi is of a higher category. Success of Kishore certainly makes him worthy of comparison with Rafi’s success, but only “successâ€. This what we all have been debating in this forum. Rafi fans are disagreeing with the argument that music wise Kishore is no comparison with Rafi – I too hold the same view, whereas, success wise Kishore can be compared with Rafi, for Kishore is also a very successful singer as Rafi, however, in his period. There, indeed, is a period when Kishore was no.1 in terms of popularity and success, but again not music wise. Kishore himself knew that in the 70s he is no.1 in the film world, but in the music world Rafi is no.1; you might know that when some fool tried to degrade Rafi by way of commenting in the filmfare magazine, obviously through comparisons with Kishore, Kishore Kumar himself responded with his comments under the heading “I am a Rafi Fanâ€.
Hope that this blog of mine helps us to focus our discussion and carry it constructively. 1980.
Regards
Nair
Dear Sagar,
I am eager to dicuss Rafi’ s song. Today i started my day with Kishore’s great collection. I have hugh collection of KISHORE and Rafi but i am inclined to KISHORE but Rafi is also my fav.
Problem starts when Rafi fans start degrading KISHORE which is not correct.
All indian know the history whether u r Rafi fan or Kishore fan and u should accept it. Thats all we wanted.
Today i heard Rafi’s immortal and my fav.
1. Tum jo mil gaye ho…from hanste Zakhm…Madan Mohan
2. E dil tum bin kahi lagta nahi….Izzat… LP
3. RimJhim ke geet Saawan gaye…Anjaana…LP
4. Chand Mera dil….Hum kisi se kam nahi…RDB
I hope u must be knwoning my taste now. But when i listen
1. Duniya o DUniya Tera jawaab nahi….KISHORE
2. Ban ke nazar dil ke zubaan..Kishore
I get thrilled thats why i said i m more fond of KISHORE and we never degrade Rafi unless Rafi fans tried to degrade KISHORE..
Saagar, U have mentioned KHyaam saheb., u know who is his fav.
Its MUKESH, KISHORE and RAFI in sequencial order.
WHy KISHORE sang in Yash chopra film from Daag to Faasle as everybody knows Yash chopra knows music very well.
Sagar, Do u think Mds are fool who sign kishore just because mageshkar sister wanted him. Its 101% wrong. Lata mageshkar and Asha were more comforatbale with Rafi because they know Rafi’s style, his talent and how he is going to sing the next line but that is not in case of KISHORE but he innovate things at runtime.
That is great difference between KISHORE and Rafi.
DEAR KK FANS,
If anyone here thinks or feels that we RAFIANS are hurting KK emotions by passing remarks, they can take our permanent leave and join a KK-Based forum,we also think we shud not pass any remarks.
Another thing, KK was immortal because MD’s who worked with him made him so..by giving good songs ( which he literally *****).
But Rafi Sahab made the songs,MD’s,Producer,Director , IMMORTAL by lending his voice ….
If people are talking about KAKA , then let me inform them that in that ERA when KAKA was in form his songs were HIT due to his IMAGE, same happened with AMITABH BACHCHAN …. and so the voice credit also went to KK , but did any of those have MELODY or HEART STIRRING emotions in it, they were all just light moody songs……whats so special about that ?
If talking about RDB he preferred KK later because he was also afraid that he might get overshadowed by RAFI SAHAB’S performace but ALAS he had to return for KYA HUA TERA WAADA ….. Same case happened with DEV ANAND,he wanted people to remember him which we still do…he forced S.D.BURMAN while making of GUIDE ..he asked to give chance to KK …But S.D.BURMAN himself insisted that it will be only RAFI SAHAB for those 3 Numbers and rest we know ???????????????
If talking about MADAN MOHAN SAHAB why did he preferred BHUPINDER SAHEB in MAUSAM …. Has any one seen that movie ??? Look at SANJEEV KUMAR’s character and the theme of the movie for that particular situation there was a demand of that ” VOICE ” so he preferred BHUPINDER ……We are not great than MADAN MOHAN SAHAB…..
I have 4 rare songs rather 4 personal collection of MADAN MOHAN SAHAB which he made with RAFI SAHAB only for his collection they are not from any film/album etc…..Can KK fans tell me how many MD’s has made their personal collection with KK ??????????????????????
BHAJANS,PATRIOTIC songs require dedication,concentration etc… in previous blogs some jack said that KK Yodels,Shouts in Sur,….etc…..now if KK did these things how can he sing BHAJANS,PATRIOTIC SONGS…..And why will any MD will offer him anything like that ….KK would have done YODELLING in those songs also……………….
And I never knew that in classical music there is something such as SHOUTING IN SUR ???????????It must be in KK’s dictionary then thanks we are not aware of such things.
KK had a versatile voice but but but but but ………………. there were many hands behind him to support him …RAFI SAHAB was one man gang…..Never in his life went to anyone requesting for a song…..When at the end of ’79 , Rafi Sahab was not feeling well he literally rejected all song offers because he said that his voice needs some rest and he prmoted young singers for ex : Shabbir Kumar etc…..
How many singers did KK influenced when he was not around ???? He bought his Another Version AMIT KUMAR ???????????Where did Amit Kumar went for basic lessons to RAFI SAHAB ……………… So if you call KK is best why didnt he trained AMIT KUMAR………..Because KK also knew he was a monotnous,mediocre singer etc…………………
Apart from few songs KK is nothing……………Apart from few songs where his voice is soothing he is nothing………….So better KK fans not to come with any QUESTIONS like that JACK came up………………………………….
Ek Main Aur Ek Tu……a branded copy by RDB , JUST SEE HOW KK HAS SHOUTED IN THAT SONG AS IF HE IS GIVING ” DHAMKI ” TO PEOPLES TO LISTEN TO HIS SONG…………….So he never understood any mood .
KK acted in movies because he himself was not sure what he was ???????????????????? There is a sanskrit saying for KK ………………………… ” ADH JAL GHAGARI CHALKAT JAAYEIN “…………
Rafi Sahab never needed to act in any films because his voice was enough to do the battle , KK use to lend his voice, do roles etc…. so that he can get noticed ………………….And people if you bring only 1 bhajan,1 patriotic song and say that its the best then we have many ” BRAMHAASTRA ” by RAFI SAHAB……if we start giving name os BHAJANS , PATRIOTIC Songs…..you will forget KK and his ” IMMPOROPAL ” songs.
MADAN MOHAN Sahab is KING of MELODY not like RDB let ACTORS CHANGE BUT THEIR VOICE WILL BE OF KK ONLY , KINDA ATTITUDE…………………MADAN MOHAN SAHAB Altered his music according to th actor,song requirement,film requirement………….he has prefered TALAT MEHMOOD for one film over RAFI SAHAB so does that mean he was partial to RAFI SAHAB ?????????????????? Khayyam sahab is truly a magician in YASH CHOPRA’S KABHI KABHI or SILSILA i don’t know what Film that jack was talking about, he preferred KK,MUKESH etc………………….comeon guys those movie were released in late 80’s RAFI SAHAB was unwell ……..and who knows KHAYYAM Sahab may have asked RAFI SAHAB to sing ???????/ But then again RAFI SAHAB’S professionalism reflects just for QUALITY he must have rejected ………………. KK was preferred because of MANGESHKAR Sisters,RDB etc………..so he got many songs in 70’s…but as we all know
” SAU SONAR KI EK LOHAR KI “……………….One song DARD-E-DIL,KYA HUA TERA WADA…., PARDA HAIN PARDA ……………..enough bring any song of KK …………………..QUALITY boss QUALITY ……..not QUANITITY…..
KK Fans there is no offending but you started this ,again let me repeat if you wanna debate please go to KK Forum and say anything about RAFI SAHAB we won’t come there to fight with you …. but you come here with any songs so this shows the difference between you and RAFIANS…………If you love RAFI SAHAB talk only about this songs,personality,and if possible discuss his songs ……….
Regards
Sagar
Please don’t let me down KK fans.Please answer.
KK FANS .I don’t know the answer to the quiz.Pleaase help.
QUIZ:
Who was the famous, super-hit film maker who once remarked that hearing KK singing is like a donkey braying?
Hint! After Rafi’s passsing away he used Rafi clones in his films.
Dear Vicky,
I am totally agree with you.
Problem here is Rafi fans don’t acept the truth. We as KK fans never deny rafi’s legendary work but Kishore was not behind. I admire Kishore because without his classical training he was the only singer who had shaken Rafi’s chair.
Dear Asif,
Ur knowledge abt Rafi is pathetic. Rafi did not rule from 49-80. His first major hit was Baiju Bawra which came in 52 so he rules the industry from 52-69 and rest is history. If u people bark that he ruled from 49-80 then noone going to accept because 69-87 one n only Kishore rule the industry.
Rafi fans always talked abt Manna Dey commetns on Rafi. Pls. read the following link. It will open ur closed eye.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra55.txt&writer=MITRA&validit=yes
im my last post i meant even if u dont like kk or rafi pls dont pass derogatory n unwanted remarks abt them.pls do not hurt others sentiments !!!!
i thnk im very late in here but after seeing the heated arguments going on i cud not stop myself from posting here. to start with its very sad to c ppl passing derogatory remarks against the legends. rather than enjoying their music we r figthing to prove who was better !! im a very big rafisaabs fan but at the same time i admire kk for the simple reason tht without any training in music he sang so well n churned out hits after hits. those ppl who r saying tht kks voice was cheap n loud r wrong although i do thnk tht to match big bs booming voice kk did use to harden his voice thus losing his voice in the process.but for those who say rafisaab was pathetic shud wash their face.n mr shankar who is so fixated with ghantsala shud tell me if he ever sang in hindi? if he was such a grt singer y dint he try to sing in hindi?n where versatility is concerned i thnk rafisaab was unmatched those who dio not believe me shud listen to this song ‘tumne mujhe dekha’ from teesri manzil.in this song the expressions r of gratitude which itself is uniique n rafisaab makes the song come alive i have never heard a song whr gratitude is expressed!! i requst each n everyoine here tht even if u dont like pls dont pass derogatory n unwanted remarks abt them.pls do not hurt others sentiments !!!!
kk or rafi
Dear KK fans,
Once O P nayar(MD) said to Mohd Rafi to sing a song which was singed by Manny Day and Mohd Rafi said that He can’t sing it better as Manny Day did,who knows Mohd Rafi they know how Mohd Rafi was great.
Sir Nair ,
I totally not agree with you that this debate is never ending the only we need honest people like you and mohan flora also other KK honest fans.
Sir Nair I think Mohd Rafi fans know more about KK than KK fans and some of them they don’t know anything about Mohd Rafi.
Kk fans said that kk singed only one Patriotic song Is it mean that MD have done a mistake and they never try to give other Patriotic song to KK same in Bhajan.
Sir Nair Mohd Rafi was master in all type of song and when u got some one compare him with Yoodel!!!!!!!!!
Sir Nair we can’t do anything with these people how said that Anwer singed better than Mohd Rafi or mohd Aziz or Suno Nigam !!!!!`
Amar prem ke gaane kya rafi gaa sakte they? amm an ush ka “dil aisa kisi ne mera toda koi or sin ger itne dard se gaa sakta tha? if Madan mohan sahab ke favorite they rafi sahab to film mausam mein un hone ek light song (CHADDI RE CHADDI) unse kyon gawaya tha? Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi (best song of film) ‘BHUPENDRA JI’ se kyon gawaya tha? Ek mutthi aasaman ka romantic or sad version Kishor se hi gawaya tha Madan mohan sahab ne to kya rafisahab se nahin gawa sakte they?
Amar prem ke gaane kya rafi gaa sakte they? amanush ka “dil aisa kisi ne mera toda koi or sin ger itne dard se gaa sakta tha? if Madan mohan sahab ke favorite they rafi sahab to film mausam mein un hone ek light song (CHADDI RE CHADDI) unse kyon gawaya tha? Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi (best song of film) ‘BHUPENDRA JI’ se kyon gawaya tha? Ek mutthi aasaman ka romantic or sad version Kishor se hi gawaya tha Madan m ohan sahab ne to kya rafisahab se nahin gawa sakte they?
Khayyam sahab ne Kabhi Kabhi mein Rafi sahab ko chance kyon nahin diya?
I totally agree with Mohan Flora and Roy that this debate is never ending, as both sides have their iron-strong convictions, which they will not compromise. This is in fact the factor that’s leading to harsh comments. The whole thing was going good and constructive, although KK fans stayed away, until………. Sorry my friend [samalochack], you initially were very informative…..
Can’t we – Rafi and Kishore fans – discover the positives of both singers by intentionally refraining from any reference to the other? I am sure it will be very creative and help both sides to appreciate each other’s favourite singer.
You can only smile with sombody else’s teeth set. Even the satire brings out only positives of Rafi sahab.
We the Rafi Fans
Here is the Answer for KK Fans
Rafi sahab
He Has done Yodels in many films , you might not be knowing as you are KK Fans
He was the great comedian in his singing style , but not in acting
He was all Music directors not only RD Burman
He was master in all type of song ,
(it’s an useless answer that KK was lacking classical training)
For getting National Award , A singer should sing like Rafi Sahab , then only he can get a National Award , kk had not recd NA , so now you will say like that only that we are happy
Rafi sahab has no of semi classical song , patriotic song and devotional song
he can shout in all sur
(cha cha cha chaa … Rafi sahab has done in film Zamane ko dikhana hai , song : Puchho na Yaar Kya Hua)
Rafi Sahab ki jai Jo………….
Our Questions
Was KK favourite of any Music director except RD Burman
Can he sing any one Classical song
Had he sung any Patriotic song , I think only one or two he sung
Can he sung any Bhajan
had he recd any National or Padmashree award
Dear Kk Fans ,
We Respect KK , we also like him , but
You all don’t Kk is far away from Rafi Sahab , Kk will have to reborn again then also he can’t touch Rafi Sahab’s Voice
Rafi sahab ki jai jo
Rafi sahab ki jai jo
Rafi sahab ki jai jo
Rafi sahab ki jai jo
Rafi sahab ki jai jo
Rafi sahab ki jai jo
From
All Rafi Fans
Dear Ali!
It was a blog written by a Rafi fan – a satire. These are the kind of questions which KK fans have raised in this blog.
dear KK fans,
sorry 2 say but I sure u don’t know about Mohd Rafi,If know you will never ask these things How many films he has acted in? if am not wrong in two films but we never said that Mohd Rafi is better Actor than KK yes If KK used Mohd Rafi voice for kk films I think today we knows KK as great actor as Shamma Kapoor
Can he yodel?It mean that u don’t mohd Rafi because didn’t listen Mohd Rafi Yodel if you will forget kk yodel,
Can he shout in sur?do u think that know shout in sur more than Mohd Rafi?!!!!!it mean that you don’t know mohd Rafi
Was he loud?
Was he RD Burman’s favourite?Is KK was favourite of Madan Mohan,SD burman,LP,SJ,Naushand Ali,O P Nayar,and many more,If I am not wrong if u go for RD best film I think there was Mohd Rafi and Shamm Kapoor and all songs was singed by Mohd Rafi and Asha.
Has he ever said Chak Chik Cha Cha Cha Cha? really u don’t know Mohd Rafi I think when u listen 2 Mohd Rafi you think he is KK!!!!!
KK was good singer he as his on style but noway 2 be compare to Mohd Rafi,All people who know music they said that Mohd Rafi is the best singer ever born.
I like KK as actor more than singer because we can compare as actor with any comedy actor but as singer we can’t
Sorry avi,
Even though I am a fan of RDB, I have to accept the following”plagiarist” tag also for his matchless and and immortal compositions! Just click on the following link and listen! If you want more, I am eveready to give more information on his other so-called inspired scores!
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-rdb.html
There was a time when people used to compare the voice of the two legends and even we were not spared in our younger age when the two legends were alive.But now the time has come when we have lost both the singer physically and simply cherish their immortal voices.Being a Rafi fan I again express my great respect to Kishore Ji and expect all others to listen to them in different way and not to compare their voices sicne both of them are best at their respective style of singing
Debabrata Roy
Rafi Lovers Circle ,Kolkata
Hi guys,
Yeh juggah shayad chhorni padegi! Like I had written earlier, there is a good article by Binay Bhushan on this site(Archive July 2001) Lata vs Rafi and so many other pages too. This page is becoming too stifling for a music/ Rafi fan . Also, too many intruders! There should not be harsh comments on Rafisaab, or for that matter, on KK too. Like one guy said earlier, both must be making great music up there but we are arguing on irrelevant matters. Sab paise ka khel hai , baba. Different times have different people and different people have different needs.It is a case of demand and supply. Music tastes keep changing with the times and it is a matter of keeping up the demand of that particular taste. I have quoted the case of Himesh Reshammiya that the present day economics of music demand him so much that his singing/music for a Kamalahasan film down south is big news all over. Almost all his songs are on the countdown and producers/distributors insist that a film have at least all/one item song by him. Sonu, Udit, Kumar Sanu, Abhijeet, Shaan and all the others , where are they? Nowhere! Thats what the media thinks, even though they are churning out hits. If this carries on for another year or so and Himesh wins another award or so, he will have become the no.1 and most popular singer of the first decade of the new millenium! I hope history does not repeat itself and Sonu, Udit, Kumar Sanu, Abhijeet are given their due share in music history and not overshadowed by the most popular Himmesh Reshammiya. Rafisaab had to face the same trend between 1972-1976 and here we are after 25 years seeing the same process go all over again. But the music companies and these days-the producers- are laughing all the way to the bank. Who cares about music?HA HA HA yeh janta are like sheep or goat mentality-peeche lagna! That’s what record companies think and give you “Kaanta Lagaa! and you go wow! They are proved right again!
Yes ! You said it right, KK fans. KK was a real Jack!
JACK of all trades, MASTER of none!
Thanks for enlightening us again on what Rafi fans and the musical world has known all along.We don’t need to go any further.
We are KK fans:
Our arguments for KK are:
He Yodels
He is a great comedian
He was RD Burman’s favourite
He lacks classical training
We are happy that he does not get National Award
He has one semi classical song, one patriotic, and one devotional, so he can sing every type of songs.
He can shout in sur Chak Chik Cha Cha Cha Cha.
Kishore da ki jai ho!
Our questions:
Can Rafi do comedy?
How many films he has acted in?
Can he yodel?
Can he shout in sur?
Was he loud?
Was he RD Burman’s favourite?
Has he ever said Chak Chik Cha Cha Cha Cha?
Kishore da ki jai ho!
Your Rafi knows only singing. That’s all. Kishore da knows many things. A real Jack!
Kishore da ki jai ho!
Dear Readers,
This topic seems to have become a non-ending one after the second coming of the KK fans. Let’s start something else. A Quiz competition for example. Here comes the first Quiz:
Who was the famous, super-hit film maker who once remarked that hearing KK singing is like a donkey braying?
Hint! After Rafi’s passsing away he used Rafi clones in his films.
Vikram and Avi
Are you both blind to facts. A jury of today’s musicians voted Rafi as the greatest singer of the millenum. The famous National Geographic magazine considers Rafi as the King of Hindi music, and did not even mention KK’s name. What will it to take for you guys to remove your blinders and recognize that KK was really a “nothing” compared to Rafi. His loud screaming and childish songs may have thrilled some teenagers but not a single KK song is a classic. KK only excelled in doing cheap, bazari stuff, and can never ever come close to the great, noble and Badshah of Hindi music, the one and only Mohd Rafi. Mohd Rafi was a not only the greatest singer ever born, but one of the greatest human being to have walked this earth. Mohd Rafi dominated the Hindi music from 1949 to 1980, except for the four year period from 1972-1976. That is is a fact. After Rafi’s death, Kishore capitalized on the lack of competition, and got some songs to his credit.
Manny Day said that KK is my best friend,They asked Manny day you was good in Romantic songs why u didn’t singed much?Manny day said that the way Mohd Rafi singed I can’t sing that way no one can singed better than Mohd Rafi.
Why not singed Yahoo by Mohd Rafi we can’t say anthing but Mohd rafi singed in on stage.
It was asked by unknow If there is Award for the best male singer in the world ever born!!
As a honest Indian which name u r going 2 send Mohd Rafi or KK?no one answered it mean that u r honest because u know that answer should be Mohd Rafi.
Please be honest
Hi Avi,
As a comdien I personally enjoyed KK’s films like “Chaliti The Naam Gaadi” and “Half Ticket”. He certainly deserved an award in comic role. But the category started in 1966.
Are Baangroo!
KISHOR TO AANDHI THA JISNE JALTE HUYE CHIRAAG RAFI SAHAB KE 20 YEARS KE SIHAANSAN KO HILA DIYA JISE RAFI SAHAB APNE JITE JEE WAPAS NAHIN LE SAKE….. 160 FIMON MEIN SE 60 FILM TO 1970 ERA KE PAHLE KE HAIN AB BACHE HUYE 100 FILMON (1971-1976) KE N AAM DENE SE PAHLE YAH TO SOCHO KI UN FILM ON KE KITNE GAANE AKELE RAFI NE GAAYE HAIN OR KITNE KISHOR NE? GUIDE MEIN KISHOR DA KA EK HI GAANA HAI OR BAAKI TO RAFI SAHAB NE HI GAAYE HAIN SO WOH RAFI SAHAB KA TIME THA LEKIN 70 KE ERA MEIN KISI FILM MEIN (KUCH KI CHHODKAR) RAFI SAHAB KA EK GANA HAI TO KISHOE DA NE BAKI 5-6 GAANE GAYE HAIN SO FILM KI TULNA N AA KARO BALKI USMEIN KISNER JYAADA GAAN E GAYE YAH DEKHO OR SWWEKAR KARO RAFISAHAB 1949-69 TAK #1 THEY JISE MAIN KYA SARA HINDUSTAAN MAANTA HAI LEKIN YAHI HINDUSTAAN 1970-1987 TAK KA BETAAZ BADSAH EK HI MAN KO MAANTA HAI WO HAI KHANDWA WALE KISHOIR KUMAR!
Dear Rafi Fans,
Please read this link:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra55.txt&writer=MITRA&validit=yes
Dear Ali,
I forgot to reply u in my last blog. RDB’s all songs are immortal. All compositions are matchless.
KK was better actor and thats why SUNIL DUTT called him GURU, Mehmood told him genious. He is one of the fav. for Johny walker and GOVINDA.
That is enough to say that he was/is great actor in role.
Pls. watch Rangoli, Musafir(fabulous), Half ticket and PADOSAN (sab pe bhari pada tha) and if you want to see serious kishore then don’t miss “DOOR GAGAN KI CHHAON ME” n “MR. X in BOMBAY”
Dear Nair,
I respect ur view. For u sharmilee songs looks unpleasant but for me not.
Unplesant for me…Rafi shout in “PYAR KIYE JAA” ….RAMLAAL Murdabad, DAAL ROTI zindabad. Very besura.
Why Rafi could not sing YAHOOOOOOOOOO, why Prayag Raj sang that word?
On Milan, For ur kind information, MUKESH never went throughlean patched that time. It was Laxmikant choice to use Mukesh because he is fond of MUKESH voice.
OK pls. answer me why LP selected MUKESH in Prem Kahani for Shashi Kapoor, “PHOOL AHISTA PHENKO….”. Did Rafi/KISHORE not able to sing that songs?
Sir, It is indivisual choice and their suitability to the songs.
It is very sad that National geographic does not include KISHORE name. It is their indivisual choice. I am not sad as KISHORE fan but i m sad as an indian.
Pyarelal from LP said KISHORE can do anything. he can sang any kind of song.
Asha Bhosle said she had to work hard whenever she had to sing with LATA and KISHORE.
All kk fans and all music lover as u r an Indian If there is Award for the best male singer in the world ever born!!
As a honest Indian which name u r going 2 send Mohd Rafi or KK?
some time Actor made songs hit!!!!
Dear avi ,
How can u say that KK won the Race?!!!please give me the list of films in which KK singed from 1969 to 1980,I don’t want say that why this some singed by Mohd Rafi not by KK but I want to say that said byRavi(MD)and L from LP said that in some songs,not we Mohd Rafi fans said that KK can’t sing all tape of songs but it said by many who worked with KK but about Mohd Rafi If some one like Madan Mohan said that I should not be paid when Mohd Rafi sing for me,I think in this case we have no word ,Dear Avi you didn’t answer which was the best film of RD?
Dear Avi u don’t think that KK was a better Actor if KK used Mohd Rafi voice?
dear avi ur !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????
Dear Avi,
It’s nice that you thought of sending a mail to the National Geographic Magazine for including your favourite singers’ name. Well, the list is of those singers who have achieved international fame. Jolly Mukerjee got inside because of a fusion which became popular in the West. Among the film songs they could figure out only Lata, Asha, and Rafi……If your effort succeeds, it will be nice. But, it is sad that Kishore needs force to get in there……
Well, a short point regarding the songs in Milan; I had read an interview by Pyarelal of LP duo mentioning in an interview that songs in Milan was a personal favour to Mukesh who was then going through a lean phase. If I could get, I will post it here.
For, pradeep, I am really curious; could you please tell us how Rafi Sahab sounded loud and high-pitched. Is it like Kishore shouted “beetey samay ki rekha†in mere naina sawan bhadon? That particular line is the bandishi (say, the heart) of the raga (shivaranjani), which needs emphasizing in its ascension but not shouting as Kishore did; see how Lata took that…..Compare it also with Mukesh’s “gaye who din†in “Jaane Kahan gaye woh din†(same raga) and then listen how laborious Kishore was in that……It also seems that the sound technician has patched up the inherent loudness of KK in that song. This is, however, a great piece by KK…….there are other songs where his loudness made the song unpleasant for ears…..say, for e.g. “Oh meri sharmeeleâ€â€¦â€¦listen to the line “aao naa tarsaao naaâ€â€¦â€¦very unpleasant…..
Dear Mohanflora,
I have already replied on this survey long back. If you have time pls. go through my blog.
I can write few pt. again:
As everybody know, golden era in indian hindi music belongs to 50-70’s and in this time Rafi sang most beautiful songs. Till date he is the one who sang mos no. of songs in male singer. So there is obvious that his no. of songs are more.
He was ranked no. 1 based on no. of songs in the list. SD Burman also ranked 1.
One more thing..Jury has been asked not to vote in their favorite singer order.
Mohanflora, pls. listen Kishore sang the same song “MAN RE TU KAHE NA DHEER DHARE” in Khandwa in memory of Rafi. It sound great on harmonium.
I am totally agree to you that Rafi was most popular singer from 52-69 but after that one and only KISHORE……..though Rafi was there till 80.
Rafi has proven his presence till 80 but KISHORE won the race.
Its proven, its hisory n noone can change this.
We are mostly amateurs, discussing musically relevant subjects. What have the present day masters of music have to say! Clips taken from theOutlook india poll conducted a few days ago.
The Jury
Abhijeet, Adesh Srivastava, Alisha Chinai, Anu Malik, Ehsaan, Gulzar, Hariharan, Himesh Reshammiya, Jatin, Javed Akhtar, Kailash Kher, Kavita Krishnamurthy, Khayyam, Kumar Sanu, Lalit, Loy, Mahalaxmi Iyer, Mahendra Kapoor, Manna Dey, Prasoon Joshi, Rajesh Roshan, Sadhna Sargam, Sameer, Sandesh Shandilya, Shaan, Shankar, Shantanu Moitra, Shreya Ghoshal, Sonu Nigam, Talat Aziz.
The Most Popular Singers
Lata Mangeshkar and Mohammed Rafi (1924-80)
The #1 Song
Man Re Tu Kaahe Naa Dheer Dhare: Singer Rafi
The most popular playback singer ever!
Mohammed Rafi (1924-80)
Along with Kishore Kumar and Mukesh, Mohammed Rafi was one of the most popular male playback singers from the ’50s to the ’70s. He was regarded as the most proficient and versatile of the three, equally at ease with a purely classical song (Man tadpat Hari darshan) as with light numbers (Chakke pe chakka, chakke pe gadi). In between, he could also perfectly render a romantic song like Hum bekhudi mein tumko pukare chale gaye.
Dear Nair,
This is with reference to ur posting on NAtional Geographic.
The list inlcudes Jolly Mukherjee name and other band which should not be there.
I have already posted a mail to the site. Very soon you cant see Man of the Parts, KISHORE in the list.
But i don’t want to see Jolly mukherjee there.