True Voice - Mohd Rafi
The following article was brought to my notice when Sharad posted it on MAS. The article has been trimmed down a bit keeping afloat Rafi details. However, anyone interested can go visit the source at http://tfmpage.com/forum/4980.6302.04.57.19.html
I am Swaminatha Iyer and I am 78 years old. I hail from Tiruchi and I am a part of music associations in Tiruchi, M’as as well as in West Bengal and Maharashtra.
I think it is wrong to condemn music or artists on either side of Vindhyas. Our Indian music is one of the few which has not been cleaned off by the western music though there has always been a influence. It speaks a lot of the richness of our music. Sometime back director of MTV had said that MTV westernized the music wherever it went but in India , MTV had to be Indianized for it to be accepted. A lot of this credit goes to the Indian film music.
I have been fortunate to have close personal association with Rafi, Sirkali, TMS, Dr. BMK, Kishore, SPB & KJY, PS, Mannadey and the one and only Lata Mangeshkar.
Comparisons are bound to come, but almost every artist or I have met considers Lata to be beyond comparison. Her talents are beyond anyone’s reach. Even Sirkazi used to talk of her singing like a die-hard fan as do countless others.
Now coming to the Rafi-SPB discussion. It might be difficult to convince an South Indian to believe Rafi is the better and at the same time Rafi crowd will never believe any other male singer comes anywhere nearer. There is one more mobile crowd, which is well conversant with Hindi and some south Indian language. Majority of them tilt to either Rafi or Kishore.
During one of my stays in M’as I had stayed with SPB. While talking of true voices he said, I don’t feel like half a singer when listening to Rafi. True voice is not a tech term but many in circle use it. Perfect example would be lata, but to understand consider our own PS who within her range is superb. People who do not have such true voices can never do justice to original. They generally underplay many parts of the song or fake it with bass/superficial singing. True voices make people like Sirkazi, Nusrat Fateh Ali khan, Lata… Inimitable. However since Sirkazi and Nusrat did not have the filmy voices their “real” following is limited to their local arena.
In addition to the true voice if the singer has a very good voice then in “most” cases he/she can better songs of others. It is this combination which makes Rafi stand out among the other male singers. There are many here who seem to have mistaken notions on a good bass and also on high pitch.
Bryan Adams does not require a monster bass in “Summer of 69″ to sound real manly. It is the punch which gives that feel and that is decided only by the comfort level in most ranges (that is by what your throat can support). This you CAN never disguise with bass. Since people have talked about lack of manly voice viz. a viz. Rafi it was necessary to bring this point out. I have had the fortune of listening to most singers in studio and some times without a mike, practicing with MD’s.When Lata or Rafi do, the level is so high that people hesitate to even hum. It felt silly to sing in their presence (and it feels silly when someone says his voice isn’t manly).
In RD’s tribute when SPB sang “Aaja Aaja mein hoon” or “Chaand mera dil” it sounded only sweet and lacked punch if you compare with Rafi’s original.
Yesu once told me God has been partial to Rafi. He said “god gift term anavasyamaa romba common aa ippo use aardu”.. but idu Rafi kee thaan 100% porundu”. This person could sing “as intricately as a lady without sounding thin”, “cover any mood”, “versatility odey perfect example Rafi”. Yesu said most important is the comfort level over ranges which makes you feel God has been partial to Rafi. (But Of course in Rafi’s early career (1950’s) the voice was relatively feeble).
To people exposed to Rafi’s talent, these or any amount of praise can only seem less. I just wish he was alive and you people could get a live chance to hear him. Probably you can get hold of the DD album for the Geet Gaata Chal series where the first four episodes were dedicated to Rafi. Rafi is on camera singing “O Duniya Ke Rakwaaley” and many other songs. If you see and hear the last part you will realize why SPB said “impossible”. I think particularly those people who have talked about scales w.r.t Rafi should see this album. Its a known fact in industry that Rafi ruled high pitch and there is no male singer better in switching notes so easily. There are artists who can go beyond but then they sound strained or they don’t have pleasant voices when they venture into those territories.
Many singers of today are his compulsive followers. But they end up inheriting only part of his quality. Md. Aziz ended up with a sad voice. Mahendra Kapoor with a thick nasal voice. Anwar with a nasal voice. Sonu Nigam with a feminine voice. Rafi neither had a soft voice nor a heavy (bass) voice he had a good voice. Importantly did not strain at high notes, and voice if at all only became better at higher notes. If you see him singing it will remind you of Janaki. However diff the song is or the note is he will be smiling and singing. It is unthinkable that he cannot sing something.
There seems to be lot of talk about “Shankara Bharanamo” song. SPB has sung many a great numbers and things being said about this song in this forum are rather amusing, particularly b’cos 3 out of 4 people who can be called as singers will be able sing it and at least one out of 10 will sing it with the same effect. There are lot of other songs of SPB where this great singer has played with songs in total control. You will find most south Indian singers who have had a good exposure say that it is beneficial to learn Hindustani as it gives better breath control and improves expression.
Rafi was not only able to glide over a song, the important thing was that he could express each word/sound when singing. It is one thing to hold your breath, start and reach a crescendo (high note), as like in “Shankara”, “Anbey (Yennai kaan villaye)” it is different ballgame if you have to do it from low notes or suddenly switch notes. With practice the former can be done, latter requires a special gift. Rafi had a natural ability to do the latter. In “Tum joh mil gaye ho” there is such a transition in the “karwaan mil gaya” part. I have never seen anyone do justice to most of his songs in my life time. In “parda hai parda” quawaali the similar part is “kar doon to, Akbar mera naam”. In fact most of his songs will have these specialty as it was his natural ability to sing freely in a wide range at the same time giving that extra expression.
Whereas SPB takes us to heavens with “Idu oru pon maali”,”Ilaya nila” “bisiladarenu”(kannada), when he sings Rafi’s song it lacks the punch or expression, though it has the bass. But at least most agree that SPB does some justice to original, whereas most others murder the original.
One trivial point I would like to add is that singing in Hindi is harder. There are more “JHA”,”CHA”,”HA”,”THA”, “KHA”,”JA”,”FA”. These take away the breath faster. The more expressive you are the more air you are using up. Just singing from Nabhi will not help, your throat also needs to do a lot, for singing in Hindi, Bengali etc. SPB makes you fall in love with his south Indian songs but same cannot be said about his Hindi songs. If you just glide through words having these sounds, you will never be expressive. Doing this as well as reaching high notes is not easy. Rafi had this gift and that’s why it is difficult to imagine anyone else in his shoes. Song “Chalkaaye jaam” has so much expression that it is unthinkable how anyone can sing it. When Rafi switches to a high note with “Mitwaa” in the song “Chaahunga mein tughey” you cannot replicate it with bass. Most others will sound as if they are shouting in such cases. That man’s throat had the ability to freely sing at such levels.
Versatility is not just the ability to sing in various styles, more important is how good you are singing in those styles. You have lot of Ghazal singers today but when Rafi sings a Ghazal you will sit up and take notice. You don’t have to be part of the Ghazal listeners crowd. This is one important aspect. Whatever style you sing you should be able to pull the common man to listen and not just a particular crowd. Pick “parda hai parda” or any qawalli and it will stand tall among other qawalli’s.
Variety is amazing :
songs of Guru Dutt’s Khagaz key phool or songs like abhi naa jao chod key, Aaja teri yaad aayi, Aaj kal mein dhal gaya, Aaj kal terey merey pyaar, Aasmaan sey aaya farishta, Dil ney pyaar kiya hai, Deewana mujh saa nahi, Din dhal jaaye, Duniya paagal hai, Jaane walon jara, Dil joh na kaha saka, Dil key jharokon mein, Dil kaa bhavar, Chalkey teri aakkhon sey, Kar chaley hum fida, khilona jaan kar tum, Woh jab yaad aay, Woh hain jara khafa, Vaadian mera daaman, Pathar key sanam, Chaand mera dil, Main zindagi kaa saath, Mainey poocha chaand sey, sun sun jaalima, Koi jab raah na paay, hum to chaley pardes, badan pey sitaarey, laal chadi maidaan, Tum jo mil gaye, O meri shaahey, Sau baar janam lengey, Tum mujhey yoon bhula, Tumney mujhey dekha, Terey merey sapney, Tumny pukaara hum chaley aay
Name a situation/mood and Rafi’s song will be there on the top.
Swami
October 25th, 2006 at 10:06 pm
Hi friends,
I am a big fan of Mohd. Rafi. He had a truly heavenly voice. What I would like to know is if anyone of you can get me two songs sung by Rafi. The songs are from the movie “Choti Si Mulaqat”, composed by Shankar Jaikishen. The Songs are:
1. Tujhe dekha tujhe chaha tujhe pooja maine (duet with Suman Kalyanpur)
2. Aye Chaand ki Zebayi (solo by Rafi)
The 2nd song is a very rare song and all the romance and feeling has been rendered by Rafi in his heavenly, sonorous and mellifluous voice. I am very fond of rare songs and if any of you diehard Rafians can get the above songs and provide a link on this forum from which the songs can be downloaded in a format like MP3 format, I will be highly obliged.
Regards
Jay Sagar
October 21st, 2006 at 6:42 am
I am not glad to see people comparing Rafi Sahab with k.k.
They are so different in style and voice Quality.
This is a Moh. Rafi site, and please just talk about Rafi Sahab only.
Rafi Sahab’s voice is of a very high quality. Many people in India are just discriminating him. Especially in the music industry and the media now.There is a Anti-Rafi lobby in India these days. But…..One thing is clear…
Whatever they day…Moh.Rafi. is the only singer with such a great voice Quality…I also respect the other singers like Mukesh, Manna Dey, Talat Mahmood..Hemant Kumar..and so on…
October 9th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
well all guys after reading alll ur comments ,its come out that rafi z really a far better singer then kk,,,,itz becuz 1st thing z the voice quality of kk is just lke u know not clear whereas rafi’s sab voice z far more clear sweet and etc,,etc,,i know fans of kk has always compare wth rafi,,,,but u all go to whom,,,who knows something bout music he or she will tell u all the difference betw. rafi sahb and kk.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:27 pm
but i dont want ashwani avi or roger back i request admin to send emails to rafi fan s the will come back
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:26 pm
where are u guyz has kihore kutta won over rafi the great
August 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
I think Tim should make a come back. And so should Mohanflora. Tim, where are you? Sangma, well you too.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
Dear Nair bhai,
Thanks a million for your explanation of the qawali (Shirdi waale sai baaba”. I will have greater appreciation of this now and will enjoy this more when I listen next time.
Thanks again !
Harvinder
August 25th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
dear KK fans,
Shahrukh wants to make a film on Kishore Kumar!
http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/trivia/shahrukh-wants-to-make-a-film-on-kishore-kumar.html
Do u know how many actress will be in the film?
August 25th, 2006 at 4:30 am
Dear Harvinder!
With my extremely limited understanding of music, please let me make a modest attempt to look at one among the three beautiful songs mentioned by you.
Shirdi Waale Sai Baba: Although a qwwali, it is composed in a rather mild way (less tonal acrobatics); may be that it is in praise of a Deity (Sai Baba) who is not a traditional qwwali Deity and also that it is a filmi version. The song starts directly with the alap by Rafi Sahab; the instruments just make attendance (Cf. Hum Kissi Se Kam Nahin). The alap is also very brief, just to highlight the raga (Kalyan? Please help me). The main song goes systematically, however reaches the crescendo at “do din ki Duniya, duniya hai gulshan”. At “Tu bichdon ko milaaye” there is gentle improvisation. A recording room version will be under the strict guidance of MDs and there will, quite naturally, be less room for improvisation by the singer. However, the most beautiful part of the song is a soft “gamaka” (tonal shake) at Aaya hai “teeere» »” dar pe.
August 25th, 2006 at 1:49 am
Dear Unknow!
Comparisons, obviously, were there with Mukesh, Manna Dey, and Talat Mehmood apart from Kishore Kumar. However, the comparison variables were different. The intensity of those comparisons was also less relative to Kishore Kumar. Probably, that Mukesh, Manna Dey, and Talat were specialists in melancholic, classical, and gazals respectively. Among the trio, popularity wise Mukesh had the highest value. So Mukesh was compared with Rafi on the basis of popularity and, of course, adeptness in melancholic numbers; Manna Dey on classical and Talat on Gazals.
When Kishore Kumar made the entry, he had more features to be compared with Rafi Sahab than the other singers. Firstly, popularity – at its highest; secondly, proficiency in singing jovial, comic, and melancholic numbers; and thirdly, a fine style that was never heard before. Quite naturally, the intensity of comparisons will have a higher graph.
The finest part of the story is that there was no male singer to come with a complete package (like Rafi) and get compared with Rafi Sahab.
August 25th, 2006 at 12:33 am
Dear mohd Rafi fans,
all hear in this site they are only Mohd rafi fans as i think there is no one is KK fans because I am as Mohd Rafi fan I visit KK site more than who said that they are kk fans and write more than them in KK site.
Please Mohd rafi fans don’t answer to people who compare the only one Mohd Rafi with any singer,Do u know why they don’t want compare Mohd rafi with Manny Dey or Mukesh?
August 24th, 2006 at 8:05 pm
Dear Nair bhai,
Thanks for sharing your in depth study in music. It makes sense to a person like me, whose understanding of music is limited to good melody, clearity, flow and oscillation of singer’s voice.
How do you rate Rafi saheb’s following songs on technicality :
1) Meri Awaaz Suno pyar ka saaz suno - NAUNIHAL
2) Jab Jab Bahaar aayee - TAQDEER
3) Shirdi waale sai baaba aaya hai tere dar pe - AMAR AKBAR ANTHONY.
and many more.
I find these songs rendered by Rafi Saheb amazing.
August 24th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
A very nice parody on the “Rafifan versus KKfan” issue………don’t know if this has already been posted here before………found this on several other sites…………enjoy!!
KKFan : It is obvious that KK was the best singer !
Better than your Rafi !!
RAFIFan : (perplexed) Obvious ? but how ?
KKFan : Of course. He kicks ass. And mightyly.
RAFIFan : (still perplexed) But how does that say
anything about singing abilities ?
KKFan : I mean he pours emotions in his songs.
RAFIFan : (slightly interested) Can you elaborate
please ?
KKFan : Naturally. The way he laughs in between, his
famous yodeling, the way he could say “kukru kuku”
etc.
RAFIFan : But what about singing. What you said above,
can be done in a better way by Johny Lever. What about
SINGING ?
KKFan : (annoyed) Come now. Have you ever seen him
singing ? He really used to dance while recording his
songs.
RAFIFan : But I prefer to HEAR somebody sing, rather
than SEE him singing. What about his singing abilities
?
KKFan : He was a genius. He could act, he could
dance, he could direct movies. He was ultimate. He had
4 wives, you know !
RAFIFan : But my dear freind, let’s discuss SINGING
please.
KKFan : You don’t understand anything about music.
Your Talat had a palindromic name.
RAFIFan : (??) But I am a Rafi fan. I don’t care how
anybody spells a name. I would like to know why you
think KK was better.
KKFan : Don’t dare you start a flame war ! Our
KKFanClub has a lot more members. You will be blasted
off the net.
RAFIFan : (amused) But let’s just discuss. eg. How
good was KK while singing classical based songs ?
KKFan : Ah ! I knew you would come to this point. We
are well aware that KK didn’t have a formal training.
RAIFIFan : But is it Rafi’s fault ?
KKFan : (trying to think) No .. I mean .. Yes. No.
No. But he was good in every other aspect. And why
should everybody sing those Naushad songs ? KK was
more lively singer, he could put emotions into every
song. Remember that “kukru kuku” ?
RAFIFan : (exasperated) There is no hope. I give up.
KKFan : You see, you see. I knew I would win. You
Rafi fans have no point on which you can argue. Ha ha
ha, KK the greatest !
August 24th, 2006 at 4:00 am
JABSE PELE HAI JAAM HUMNE DARD KE TABSE EK AWAAS GONJTE HAI MERE KAAN MAIN EIK AAWAZ,SIRF EEK HAI KOI SAMAJNE WALA WOH KOI AUR,HAI MOHD RAFI
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:33 pm
Dear Harvinder!
You have a point. Yes, Rafi is the “comparison target” for virtually every singer – past and present. No need to open this concept more, for it is self-explanatory that Rafi is the ultimate standard of film music. Saigal, Manndey, Mukesh, Kishore Kumar, even Lata Mangeshkar stood in the comparison debates with Rafi. Very seldom can one see Kishore Kumar compared with Mukesh, Mukesh with Mann Dey, Lata Mangeshkar with Kishore. Why? Simple; Rafi is the ultimate “comparison standard”. Otherwise none of the Kishore fans need to throw away their time in this site.
Now, let’s leave other singers apart and take Kishore Kumar. Kishore never entered the comparison list till 1970. This is for the reason that Kishore Kumar was not considered as a qualitatively (or in any other manner, lets call it “comparison variable”) equivalent candidate as other singers to have had a comparison with Rafi Sahab. This does not mean that all other singers were compared with Rafi on a qualitative basis, for e.g., Mukesh’s comparison variable was more “popularity” than “quality”. By 1970, Kishore Kumar rose to popularity and became eligible to be a comparate. In Kishore case, popularity as a comparison variable had a very high value than ever before in the case of any other singer. All the subsequent comparisons rested only on popularity variable, quality as a comparison variable never even came to light. Many a times Kishore Kumar stood high in the comparisons because of the popularity variable whereas the real quality factor stood on Rafi’s side. However, by 1977, Kishore Kumar began to lose the value of his popularity factor, which he regained to certain extent in the post-Rafi era.
My conclusion is that in terms of popularity Kishore Kumar is the best candidate ever to have a comparison with Rafi Sahab. On quality level, it can be only Lata Mangeshkar.
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:21 pm
This is for Messi’s, Ashwani’s and Unknowns,
I write this as a big fan of Rafi Saheb and equally great admirer of Kishore da’s versatilty and calibre.
This never ending comparison between the titans draws controversies also. Surprisingly some facts do surface from time to time, which appear so true but, not very convenient to accept.
Take for example, Ashwani citing 3 songs sung by Kishore and Rafi, but in diffrent modes. I can not help agreeing with Ashwani despite being a die hard Rafi fan. I will add another number by greatest MD Madan Mohan of Parwana “Toon na sharma, faila de”. This was a phase when Kishore da was at his very best and almost like a man possesed. He had just taken over # 1 slot amongst male singers (Like Dhoni outshining Sachin Tendulkar these days). Kishore da was oozing with confidence in this song and everything falling in place.
However, when we talk in broader perspective, one thing stands out in my mind. People compared Rafi with KL Saigal, Rafi with Manna Dey, Rafi with Mukesh, Rafi with Kishore Kumar between 1947 till date. With Kishore da only comparison is with Rafi saheb from 1970 till date. I am unable to figure this out. Could it be the longer innings or the range of songs that Rafi saheb sang ?
A request to both side fanatics : Please admire your favourite, but do not use silly language for the other great singers.
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:12 pm
My dear friend,
Don’t repeat same thing again and again. It doesn’t sound good.
My dear friend, You are free to think anything abt me.
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:29 pm
DEAR KK FANS,
Just in above blog someone said the following :
” nway, if u want to compare Rafi with Kishore then pls. listen following songs:
1. Tum bin Jaaou kahan
2. Rote hue aate hai sab (rafi sang sad song, Kishore sang happy)
3. Zindagi Ek safar (same as above) ”
LETS NOW CHECK OUT ABT THESE SONGS :
1.) TUM BIN JAAON KAHAN :
This song come 3 times in the movie 1st sung by KK , 2nd sung by
RAFI SAHAB and 3rd time sung by Rafi Sahab again.The 3rd song is a
rare piece and most of KK fans may not have listened to it.
As we all are aware that RDB recorded the happy version with RAFI
SAHAB first and then gave the recording to KK to visualize abt the
notes of the song.3 RD VERSION of this song is a complete sad
version which is a bit fast and also out of KK ’s reach, so RDB
preferred RAFI SAHAB again, just imagine a person like RDB who
always preferred KK why did he went to RAFI SAHAB ????
Simple that song needed emotions and perfect high notes with proper
surs involved, there are some words used in 3rd version which comes
in ANTARA and MUKHADAS which I dont think KK wud have justified
it properly so RDB just kept KK for YODELLING TUM BIN …Version.
2.) ROTE HUYE AATE HAIN SAB :
This song is no matter a classic piece which KK has sung it in a power
mode. But imagine if this same song would have been in
RAFI SAHAB’S voice the current song would have been something
great than what KK had sung. In other words if KK can sing this easy
song so well then what level this song would have been to if
RAFI SAHAB had rendered his voice.
Talking about the sad version , if you see the last shot in movie where
Amitabh Bachchu is dieing and VINOD KHANNA is in a sad mood, at
that this song is played,so naturally the song was for VINOD and not
for BACHCHU , and also kindly think that it was complete out of reach
of KK’s reach to bring in the sad emotions in this version, so again
KALYAN BHAI AND ANAND BHAI preferred the MASTER.
3.) ZINDAGI EK SAFAR :
May I please ask all KK fans that on what classical mode is this song
based and what is such a new thing APART from YODELLING in this
song ???? Apart from power voice of KK nothing is there and
remaining part where he could not catch the high notes he has
yodelled.
Again talking abt the SAD VERSION then again, when it comes to
soul stirring voice and music we have to take a U-TURN to the
MAESTRO.
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Again someone said that KK sung ANCHAL KE TUJHE LEKE CHALU which is a classical based song ???? Sir please come forward and tell me what RAAG is it based on and what is the difficult task in that song which other singers cant bring up ???????
Manna De was much better than KK because he never rendered his voice for any MEDIOCRE songs ? PADOSAN songs then let me remind you MANNA DE was initially upset when KK used some improper words in the song , MANNA said if this is the case let the DEBATE go on with KK and then we will check who is GHODA and who is GADHA …I give complete credit to RAJINDER KRISHAN,RDB AND SUNIL DUTT to patch up , and it is also impossible to hear that KK apologized MANNA DE after that song….???
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Dear KK fans,
Now I am mentioning some RAFI SAHAB’S songs I want you to bring songs of KK where his voice has taken up the song to a high level.
1.) Zindagi bhar nahi bhulegi yeh barsaat ki raat
2.) Badi Der Bhayi Nandalala
3.) Chaoonga Mein tujhe saanjh sawere
4.) Ilahi tu sun le humari dua
5.) Keh do ki koi yaha pyaar na karein
If KK fans havent heard any of the above songs , then they do need to reply others who have any voice based emotional classical and true indian songs by KK get it
Regards
Sagar
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:28 pm
dear ashwani
i not going get angry because u r asking something that u know the answer it same when say to some one at midday look to the sky if there is Sun.
I am sure that u r not KK fan because I am not KK fan I visit KK site more than u or how said that they are KK friends.
I think who compare KK as a singer with mohd Rafi he or she is not real KK fans because he or she know the answer because when Brazil want to play cricket they will not play with Indian cricket team because They know that Indain football team can win Brazil cricket team in cricket.I hope u understant what i mean?
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:14 pm
dear unknown1,
Don’t get angry. There is nothing to get angry.
Dear unknown1, Don’t run away from the truth. Be a smart to face it.
nway, if u want to compare Rafi with Kishore then pls. listen following songs:
1. Tum bin Jaaou kahan
2. Rote hue aate hai sab (rafi sang sad song, Kishore sang happy)
3. Zindagi Ek safar (same as above)
I know u will say Rafi sang better than Kishore
.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Messi,
I agree with you. There is no singer like Mohd Rafi and Kishore kumar is a good Artiste both in terms of acting which I like more and singing next to Mohd Rafi.. Whoever fights here claiming that he is good- he is bad. I finally draw my inference here. INDIA HAS PRODUCED 9 GEMS and the greatest combi of them are MOHD RAFI-MUKESH-KISHORE KUMAR-MANNADEY. OTHERS LATA-ASHA-MAHENDRA KAPPOR-TALAT-K L SEHGAL. We can hear these Golden Greats in different occassions and moods to ultimate satisfaction. Music is for enjoying and these greats do enter our souls. We should stop comparing and to respect this site we should talk about Rafi Sahab who stands on the Top among all the singers.
rgds..Kmurtyrafian
August 23rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm
dear Messi,
Please please please visit KK site because there are no one to write on KK there,
I don’t know about Bengali films but I think Manny Dey should be at top not KK,
dear Messi it is easy to do everthing but the problem is who do u do that,If we speak about one man show I think that is Raj Kappor not KK,
not We Mohd Rafi fans said that KK can’t sing classics that was kk fans who said that KK was not trained,Offourse KK was busy in 60’s because he was thinking what to do be a singer or actor or ?!!!
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:34 pm
Please let me know how to write articles, I don’t see any link for that. Only reply link is
visible. I will try to collect things and post here. Kindly let me know.
There are many classic songs sung by Kishore. If somebody doesn’t accept this then he is a
hypocrite. No need to talk about the classics, just take this simple example. “Aa chalke tujhe
main le ke chalu”, this is so simple. Most of the singers can sing it. But it’s Kishore Kumar’s
lyrics, compostion, singing that make it an immortal one.
In early days, kishore didn’t get the first rated songs, because Rafi, Manna Dey and Mukesh
were at the peak of their career. But when he started getting the first rater songs, he made
them classics, he made them immortal. He became a great singer.
In 60s, he was a popular actor. He was such a busy actor that he faced time management
problem in singing and acting. At that, nobody knew Kishore as a singer. They knew more
as an actor. When he switched to singing, he showed his caliber.
No doubt, 60s is the time, when HFM got a new revolution. Rafi was one of them who
contributed a lot and then Kishore took his place and contributed with same dedication.
Very interesting is, people who praise Rafi & Kishore, who are big fans of Rafi & Kishore
seldom talk about the great MDs who actually created the music. Rafi or Kishore or
whoever are just parts of it.
Bengali is not my first language or mother tongue, but I have collected many songs.
Listen to them. There are many classic songs and some of them were composed by
Kishore Kumar. I was surprised to hear that those songs were composed by Kishore
Kumar himself. They are of equal genre that we talk about hindi golden numbers or
classics. I never listened to them before, because hindi is more popular so only
hindi songs of Rafi and Kishore are more popular.
Again, people seldom talk about Manna Dey. I think he was better than any other
singer in singing the classical ones. His genre was different. But Rafi took the top
position in singing the romantic ones. People seldom talk about Manna Dey.
They mentioned his name when they compare Kishore with Rafi, they never compared
Manna Dey with Rafi. Sach bahut karvaa hota hai
2 things are: There is no singer like Rafi and there is no artist like Kishore Kumar.
Whoever accepts one but not the other, is surely a hypocrite.
Messi
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Dear Ashwani,
i am waiting for u at http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/web/javed-akhtar-retorts-on-allegations-that-he-failed-to-keep-his-promise.html#comments
I don’t want comapre Mohd rafi hear with any one.Thsi site is only for kings Mohd rafi.
Are u KK fan?!!I don’t think if u r u will write some thing good on KK at KK site because u don’t like KK If u like him u will never try to compare KK with Mohd Rafi it same when u compare Indian cricket team with Brazil cricket team because I thin Brazil they don’t have cricket team if they have it is like nothing,if u said that Brazil team will win the answer will yes because when u ask any one u will think that u r speaking about football not cricket,I hope u understant what i mean.
WAITING FOR AT KK SITE
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Dear ashwani,
I don’t want compare Mohd Rafi with any one, that good of u that you said that Lata ji singed “Tum mujhe You bhoola na paaonge” not KK singed better than Mohd Rafi,Lata is great but when u compare her with Mohd rafi i don’t think so please ask P from LP or any one who know the music he or she will tell u,when Mohd Rafi and Lata ji they didn’t singed together the MD went to Mohd Rafi not to Lata ji,Why?????
Dear Aswani visit KK site and write some thing on KK there and try to compare Mohd Rafi with KK,This is Mohd Rafi site I don’t want compare Mohd Rafi to KK also KK was a good singer but no way to compare him with Mohd Rafo or Manny Dey or any othere male singer as a singer.