The Rafi-Kishore saga
The following article appeared in The Statesman,Calcutta, on Aug.7 th 2005. It will give more food for thought to the ongoing debate about the Rafi personality and magic - Mohan Flora .
Mohd. Rafi was the greatest playback singer, asserts Ranjan Das Gupta as he pays tribute on the melody kings 25th death anniversary. Rafi was a classically trained singer while Kishore was naturally endowed with excellent resonance. The latter was a versatile genius, singer, music director, actor, writer and director all rolled into one. Both were proficient singers but had separate individual styles.
In the 1950s Rafi literally ruled the roost. He was the most favoured singer for veteran composers like Naushad, S.D. Burman, Shanker Jaikishan, Madan Mohan while Kishore was preferred by S.D. Burman and Salil Choudhury who was playback mainly for Dev Anand and his own films. Rafi on the other hand could balance his melodious voice for diverse stars like Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand, Guru Dutt, Rajendra Kumar and Shammi Kapoor.
It is an astonishing fact that O.P. Nayar used Rafi to sing for Kishore Kumar the unforgettable tune Man Mora Bawra in Ragini in 1957. Shanker Jaikishan also had Rafi to sing Ajab Hai Dastan in Shararat in 1958. Says record museum owner Vinod Santhalia, It is simply amazing. Imagine Mohd. Rafi sang for Kishore Kumar in films Kishore himself acted.
Shanker Jaikishan commented, No doubt Kishore Kumar is a good singer. He sang beautifully for me in Rangoli. But Ajab Hai Dastan was simply not Kishores cup of tea. The mukhdas and antaras required a singer of Rafis range and classical background.
Although Kishore Kumar felt bad about this, he could only marvel at Rafis brilliant rendering of the two songs. Rafi characteristically remarked, No one else except Kishore could sing Dukhi Man Mera in Funtoosh so well.
Salil Choudhury was not favourably inclined towards Rafi at one point of time, but even he was compelled to use Rafi for the unforgettable Tootey Huey Khuabo Nay in Madhumati and Koi Soney Ke Dil Wala in Maya and confess that Rafi was indeed peerless.
It is generally known that Rafi and Kishore went through a bad patch in their relationship. Yet it is also true that both liked and respected each other. S.D. Burman openly admitted to Kishore that the three solos in Guide by Rafi could not be matched by any singer. On Dev Anands special request, he composed the Kishore-Lata super hit duet Gata Rahe Mera Dil for Guide. Similarly, Rafis numbers in Teen Deviyan and the haunting duet with Lata Mangeshkar in Jewel Thief were far superior to the Kishore numbers in these films.
In the late 60s when R.D. Burman composed the melody for Tum Bin Jaaun Kahan in Pyar Ka Mausam, he experimented the same solo with both Rafi and Kishore. True, Kishore sang this number by melodiously incorporating his inimitable yodelling. But in the romantic number, Rafi scored over Kishore in melody.
The 60s was also considered Rafis decade though Kishore matured considerably as a singer during this period. The Jungle Mein Mangal number Woh Din Ke Baat Sharan Karo had both Rafi and Kishore together but is somehow not remembered that well. But Shanker Jaikishans Hanste Gate Jahan Se Guzar in Andaz by Rafi quite eclipsed Kishores entire Zindagi Ek Safar in 1971.
Madan Mohan also used both Rafi and Kishore in the song Yu Na Sharma for Parwana in 1972. Kishore sang the happy rendition for hero Navin Nischal. But there was Rafi again to do full justice to the Are Hansnewale, the melancholic aspect of the same song for Amitabh Bachchan.
In the 1970s the Kishore Kumar wave took the Hindi film music by storm and was backed by R.D. Burman. Some critics felt R.D was partial to Kishore and avoided using Rafi. The Rafi Kishore duet Yaadon Ki Barat from the film with the same title in 1973 turned out to be a superhit. But it cannot be categorised either as an exclusive Rafi or a Kishore gem for both sang in perfect harmony.
Subsequently, R.D. Burman opted for Rafi again after four years as no other singer could have rendered so skillfully Chand Mera Dil and Kya Hua in Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahin; that too in a film with many Kishore Kumar superhits like Mil Gaya and Aa Meri Jaan.
When Rafi sang Darde Dil for Laxmikant Pyarelal in Karz in1980 based on a single note, he proved melody was indeed God-gifted to him, remembers upcoming singer Sujan Bose. Kishores Ay Mere Umar Ke and Ek Hasina Thi could not touch that level. The same can be said for Rajesh Roshan’s Yarana where Rafi’s Aare Re Aisa Tarana completely surpassed Kishore’s Sara Zamana and Tere Jaisa.
Mohd. Rafi left for his heavenly abode on 31 July, 25 years ago. Remembers author Nabaran Bhattacharya, The photo of a silent, sad and grief-struck Kishore in the newspapers portrayed very well that no one except him understood what an irreparable loss had taken place in Indian film music.
As Kishore himself said when Jagjit Singh criticised the Rafi gharana, How dare these so-called ghazal singers criticise an icon that Manna Dey, Mukesh and I dare not criticise. Rafi was unique.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Dear Referee, Keep ur decision with you.
There is not a single percent truth. You are like umpire JAYPRAKASH who raise his finger without knowing the ball pitch.
Rafi fans always think in one direction and trying to get away from the history.
FYI, IT was KISHORE who dared to compose music for his own film to prove everybody wrong and that has been already proved.
I asked one question to all rafi fans:
Is there any kind of innovation done by Rafi in SINGING field or any field.
Dear Unknown,
May be rafi sang 1000 songs with ASHA but ask anyone who is the best. They will say KISHORE-ASHA is always best. They have sung many remarkabale songs.
RDB said in TV interview that ASHA sang better than RAFI in “AAJA AAJA MAIN HU PYAAr TERA”. There was bet between RDB n Nassir Hussain on who will sing better. RDB said ASHA n Nassir said “RAFI” n finally Nassir gave some cash to RDB after losing this bet.
This has been said by Nassir Hussain and RDB in CNN IBN.
No one can beat KISHORE……..
June 15th, 2006 at 12:37 pm
Dear mohd Rafi fans,
Why should we answer to people like Avi and Shankar who don’t know anythink about Mohd Rafi and KK, What 2 say about some one who said KK with Asha better than Mohd Rafi with Asha!!!!!!!??As they said KK singed more songs in 70’s than Mohd Rafi because of that KK is better If they think by this way Why not they think that Mohd Rafi with Asha they singed around 700 songs and there no one who singed 700 songs togetter.
Who know about Mohd Rafi and KK He or she never say that Mohd Rafi was workless or KK is better SINGER than Mohd Rafi !!!!!
IF U BEAT A CHILD THEY WILL SAY U R BIG MAN AND YOU BEAT A CHILD !! IF CHILD BEAT YOU THEY WILL SAY U R BIG MAN A CHILD BEAT YOU!!!
Thanks mohanflora,Nair,Shanbu,Ali,Anmol Singh and many more for giving us great information about KK more than KK fans.
I like all good songs but when we compare I think we should take 2 names out to comparing(mohd Rafi and Lata)because who will be with Mohd Rafi and Lata they will be winners.
June 15th, 2006 at 10:35 am
Rafisaab was not born into a family having musical background. He developed a liking for music listening to his village minstrels and fakirs and later honed his skills. Please read the the web thread,”The mammoth myth about Mohammed Rafi,” as provided above by anon. Great!
June 15th, 2006 at 8:04 am
dear anmol,
thanks for ur version of kk’s early life and struggles. u r right that kk never could learn classical singing. but there is a reason for that.
rafi, lata, asha, manna dey and others were all born into families that had a musical background. lata’s and asha’s own father was himself a classical singer and so trained them when they were young. rafi learnt classical singing from his uncle/relative when he was as young as 14 yrs. manna dey learnt classical singing from his famous uncle when he was 21 yrs old, for 6 yrs. he mentioned that he had to practice for 6 hrs a day for a few yrs. kk, however, was born into a normal family with a normal background, like the common man. how much % of common man learn classical singing ? very small. yet, through his natural talent, he was a competent singer by his own rights.
most of the rafi fans and the public also think that kk’s singing career started off with films like “munimji”, “paying guest”, “chalti ka naam gaadi” etc. under s.d.burman. but most people forget that kk first sang in the film “ziddi” in 1948 for khemchand prakash. if u listen to that song “marne ki duaen kyon maangoon”, u’ll see how well he sang in madra saptak, with such control, even though he was just turned 19 yrs old. how many of u have heard the song “husna bhi hai udas” from “fareb” in 1953 ? if u’ll hear the song, u’ll be surprised how softly he sang. u’ll think it’s talat singing. similarly, the kk-lata duet “aa mohabbat ki basti” also from “fareb” ? how many of u have heard the song “jag mag jag mag karta nikla” ?
all of the above songs are sung immensely well in madra saptak. and the music director’s for these films were stalwarts like khemchand prakash, anil biswas, husnlal-bhagatram etc. if u listen to these songs, u’ll never say he didn’t have range.
also, very well trained hindustani classical singers like pandit bhimsen joshi, ustaad bade ghulam ali khan etc. can all sing “o duniya ke rakhwaale” or “madhuban mein radhika” etc., but they cannot make all those inimitable sounds in songs like “main hoon jhumroo”, “matwaale hum, matwaale tum” etc. kk made those inimitable sounds in perfect sur and taal to maintain the tempo of the songs. that’s why kk is unique, one of a kind.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:42 am
Here is an interesting article “The mammoth myth about Mohammed Rafi”
http://www.screenindia.com/20020726/mcov2.html
June 15th, 2006 at 4:22 am
OK, let us try to resolve this issue in a non biased manner. Rafi was an extraodinary talented and gifted singer. A man like Rafi is never likely to be born. His songs are gems, which can never be duplicated. Kk was a happy go lucky guy. I think he sang well singing the comedy songs. I really don’t think he could sing any of Rafi’s songs that had a high and low range variation. If you look at all the same songs sung by Lata and Rafi, such as Jab Pyar Kisi say Hota Hai, Ehsan tera hoga, Mere Mehboob Mujhey, and others, the songs sung by Rafi were far more popular, showing how great a singer Rafi is. Kishore is OK, but not great.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:06 am
To the question, why did not Rafi sing the songs sung by other singers. This is somewhat illogical, yet it is a question. So the answer is; Rafi did not sing the songs sung by other singers because it was sung by them. However, one must note that there was a period when Talat, Mukesh, Hemant Kumar, and Mannadey together ruled the music world. Rafi was just one among them. After Baiju Bawara, it was the rise of Sun for the music world, which outshone the minor flickering stars. By early 60s, the brightness of Rafi was at such level that Hemant Kumar and Talat Mehmood virtually saw the death of their singing career, Mukesh could never regain his posture, although he managed a few awards during KKs dominance, and Mannadey has to cuckoon himself to classical numbers. The dominance of Rafi could not be compared to KK’s one, where Rafi also made his presence felt, although in a lesser degree relative to 60s. However, unlike Mukesh, Mannadey et al., Rafi made a grand come back……a powerful one…..remember the song….. “Hei agar dushman zamaana, gam nahin, koi aaye koi, hum kisi se kam nahin”. It was as if destiny had kept this song for Rafi in store.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:57 am
I agree with Fedup too…Kishore makes me feel like throwing up. I have nothing against Kishore as a person, but I think that he was just a very low-class singer who got lucky after 25 years of trying. RDB & RK played a big hand in his change of fortune, when for 25 years almost all MDs knew that he wasn’t really cut out for singing. He had a loud voice, and had an extremely limited range as a singer. Plus, his constipated, laborious singing in an extremely nasal and bad voice makes it even harder to appreciate his work. His work just sounds too immature, unprofessional, insignificant and extremely cheap compared to Rafi, and even compared to other singers. Classical training or not, Kishore just wasn’t cut out to be a singer, and the fact that he became successful is only a testimony to his strong character that he tried hard against all odds to become at least an average singer, albeit with millions of weaknesses.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:03 am
I completely agree with Fedup. Kishore was no match for Rafi. To all who say Rafi was jobless in the early and mid seventees, then I must say Kishore was jobless from the late forties till 1970 (20 years!!) ,as he had very few songs to his credit during this time, forcing him to make a few B grade films. Also during the time Rafi was alive, Rafi won 6 filmfare awards to KK’s 1. Now who is greater?
Asif
June 14th, 2006 at 11:41 pm
Kishore is not in the same class as Rafi. All Kishore did was to yodel like a silly person and you KK supporters think that is class. KL Saigal would turn in his grave to watch Kishore disgrace the art of singing. Kishore success in the seventees was because the MDs made tunes to suit a culture of loud music, beat, and cheap lyrics, where the singer’s voice or qualty did not matter. Kishore actually ruined the art of music by his silly antics and constapated singing style. He was absolutely horrible and makes me throw up!!
June 14th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
dear Anmol Singh and Nair good work.
Dear Avi
The people who know about music said please dear AVI read it and be honest 10% only
Mohd Rafi
MOHAMMED RAFI the paragon of humility, greatness and piety, all put together. A voice that left a landmark in the world of music. A stalwart who was unparalleled be it his style of singing, or the varying emotions he portrayed in the songs that suited every actor that he play backed for. 26 years have passed by and the reverberation of his voice or his songs continue like the waves that hit the seashore leaving behind a trail of finest silt of impressions in our hearts.
About KK
The Everlasting Voice still reverberating.. leaving beautiful ripples and memories that last with us forever. A powerhouse of talent in multitude.. be it singing, acting, composing or writing beautiful lyrics….Kishoreda continues to live in his reverberating voice.
June 14th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
Dear Avi,
If u see shammi Kapoor films and KK I think same style they have but only better in Shammi the Mohd Rafi voice,
Dear Avi As u said “Anmol is not music lover but he is definetely KISHORE hater” I don’t think so because when we read about KK there is RD,Rajesh Khanna,Bachchan and they are super stars, It same when u have a Football team all players are good but one is not in this case there be team work help it same worked with KK,KK became because of team work and Mohd Rafi is great because he is Mohd Rafi not team work helped him as KK.Sorry dear Avi if i hurt u.
June 14th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
dear avi,
I think anmol bhai knows kk very well by reading his articales and he is still a rafifan why?
dont tell u also know rafi as he knows kk,bcos these songs u r mentionig every time that rafi could not sing,will never said by ppl who knows rafi.
June 14th, 2006 at 8:21 pm
Dear Nair,
Anmol is not music lover but he is definetely KISHORE hater. I can understand it because Rafi fans have to justify everytime why Rafi is great.
According to him, Everybody is greater than KISHORE. He should really need a doctor treatment.
WHY SJ, O P NAYYAR, RAVI n other mentioned MDs did not give chance to KISHORE because they were scared of taking chance. They could only give songs to trained singer. It shows all MDs incapability not KISHORE incapability. BUt ultimately they bent in front of KISHORE in 70’s. I am not going to mention movie name.
dear Anmol. if
Dear Anmol, If u r a singer then i am sure u r attempting Rafi’s song. Pls. attempt a single KISHORE songs n ask somebody else to listen, i m sure u will be royally get screwed.
Boss, There are many people who watch PADOSAN, just to see KISHORE n his Mandali. Half Ticket adn CHALATI KA NAAM GAADI which is hall of fame in indian comedy cinema.
To be very frank, Kishore is only singer who touches the heart.
Tell me one thing
How many innovation Rafi has done in singing? Nothing because he could not able to do it.
See KISHORE, He came with Yoodling when so many SURMAS were there in this field n left everybody behind and made bother to many Rafi fans.
It was his idea to wear PADOSAN getup and to remain in the competition Mehmood had also chnaged his getup.
Dear Anmol, don’t write the same thing again and again.
Pls. answer me n ask any Rafi fans to imitate KISHORE as in
1. NA KOI DIl ME SAMAYA
2. KOI HUMDUM NA RAHA
I am very sorry for you.
June 14th, 2006 at 6:40 pm
Nice work Anmol. Only a person who understands the layers of music can write such a piece. Well done!
June 14th, 2006 at 6:18 pm
Dear Shankar,
Lets leave Rafi aside, I will analyze KK with other singers now one by one.
KK came to Bombay to become singer we no formal training. Its very surprising considering K L Saigal as his idol, KK never felt the need of any formal training in music. In 1940s and 50s training was considered a must for every singer. Lets leave classical singing aside.
Perhaps the reason KK failed as a singer in the early 50s, where as singers like Mukesh and Hemant Kumar excelled. Both were not classical singers but were properly trained as compared to KK.
Note - There is no knowledge on who were Mukesh’s Gurus. But most web sites on Mukesh do not mention that he had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN MUISC the way it is mentioned on KK websites.
Since KK was a failure in early 50s as a singer, he was forced to act by Ashok Kumar (Dada Muni). He failed as a serious actor as well, because there were Dilip & Bharat Bhushan in the league. Finally compelled to adopt some thing which other singers do not do i.e. ‘yoodling’ and act as a comic actor for survival. This was the result that KK had to do all this
because of lack of training. This so called quality did not last long in the 60s. Please refer to KK’s lean years in 60s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishore_Kumar
Lets analyze KK with Hemant Kumar. Hemant studied under Phani Banerjee and Shailesh Duttagupta. Unlike KK Hemant Kumar had a
very limit range of operation i.e. low and Medium. C Ramchander is one who composed “Enaa Meena Dekha” for KK choose Hemant for Anarkali “Jaag Dard E Ishq’. SD Burman choose Hemant for Dev Anand to sing “Na Hum Tumhe Jaane”, “Ye Raat Ye Chandni”, “Chup Hai Dharti”. SJ choose him for “Yaad Kiya Dil Ne Kahan”. Why not KK for these songs? Because Hemant at low and medium range was just mind blowing and he gave play back to many actors. Apart from that Hemant Kumar was great composer as well. Singers like Rafi & Lata sang for his compositions. This is different between trained and untrained singer. If KK was a properly trained singer many Hemant songs could have gone to him considering his range of opertaion.
Lets analyze Mukesh with KK. O P Nayyar a Rafi loyalist choose Mukesh “Chal Akela Chal Akela”. Why not Kishore? Because apart
from Rafi it was Mukesh who could operate with ease in the Taar (High) Saptak. Another example is the song ‘Jane Kahaan Gaye Yo Din’ composed by SJ. These are songs beyond KK’s capability to sing. Mukesh was Salil Chaudhary’s favourite singer. Salil refused to listen to KK in the 50s and 60s. As most claim that early 70s for KK dominated by it was Mukesh who maximum wards between 1970 and 76 with much less contribution as compared to KK. Mukesh did this without singing for Rajesh Khanna. Its just a class of an aligance.
1970 Filmfare Sabse Bada Nadan Wahi Hai Pehchan Playback for Manoj Kumar
1972 Filmfare Jai Bolo Beiman Ki Jai Bolo Be-Imaan Playback for Manoj Kumar
1974 National Award Kai Baar Yun Bhi Dekha Rajni Gandha Background Song
1976 Filmfare Kabhi Kabhee Mere Dil Mein Kabhi Kabhee Playback for Amitabh
Lets analyze Mahendra Kapoor with KK. Mahendra Kapoor considered Rafi as is idol, and approached him when he was a teenager. Rafi advised not to immitate him and seek proper training. Why KK never felt the need of training when he was a teenager? Mahendra Kapoor’s classical vocal mentors were Pt. Husn Lal, Ustad Niaz Ahmed Khan, Pt. Jagannath Bua Purohit, Khan Saheb Abdur Rehman, Afzal Husain Khan and Pt. Tulsidas Sharma. His first song ‘Chand chhupa aur tare doobe’ under Naushad in 1958 was a big hit. Apart from Rafi he was favourate singer of O P Nayyar and Ravi. Mahendra sang limited songs compared to other singers because he was selective. Song like “Mere Desh ki Dharti”, “Chalo Ek Baar”, “Neele Gagan Ke Tale” are beyond KK’s scale. Mahendra Kapoor won an award in 1965, 1967 during the Rafi & Mukesh dominance and in 1974 during KK’s dominance.
1963 Gumrah Chalo Ek Bar
1967 Hamraz Neele Gagan Ke Tale
1974 Roti Kapda Aur Makaan Aur Nahi Bus Aur Nahi
Lets analyze Manna Dey with KK. Possibly it would be a disgrace to compare KK with Manna Dey. He won an award in 1971 during Kishore’s dominance.
Another singer Narendra Chanchal know for devotional songs won an award in 1973 during Kishore’s dominence.
Lets analyze Talat to KK. There is not need to analyze since Talat came much before KK. Talat as a matter of fact was also a trained singer and specialzed in Ghazals. Most Ghazals singers of today consider him their idol.
http://www.rediff.com/entertai/1998/may/16tal.htm
Coming back to KK, he entered the film industry to become a singer with out training. By late 50s he gets S D Burman as his Guru. He matured as a singer only by late 60s and 70s because of proper training under Dada Burman, which brought control & clarity in his voice and also improved his range of operation. “Roop Tera Mastana” did fetch him an award in 1969, but he never got any award during his prime period until 1978. In the 80s he got maximum awards since he was competing with new comers and untrained singers like Shabbir Kumar & Munna Aziz. With no Rafi, Mukesh & Mahendra Kapoor Manna Dey refusing to sing sub standard songs KK undoubtly was the best.
In order words there is no alternate to hard work and proper training. If we analyze Mahendra Kapoor between 1946 to 1958 it took almost 12 years for him to establish as a singer. It took almost the same time for KK to gain perfection under Dada. Because KK was talented Dada choose him to train. Perhaps his Yoodling, mimickry & comic acting put him into finicial
crisices in the 60s and he had wait till 1969 to established himself as proper play back singer when he gained perfection. Possibly if Kishore was a properly trained singer before coming to film industry there could have been no need for him to do all the mimckry and yoodlying. Infact Talat and Mukesh also acted in films but were successfull only as singers. As mentioned by Rafi in his interviews a person should be perfect in one area at least.
The song from Baiju Bawra “Mann Tadpat Hari Darshan” has a line “Bin Guru Gyan Kahan Se Paaun” is very much applicable for any successfull singer & music composer.
Coming to you analysis now
“i mean, a very well trained hindustani classical singer can sing “Oh duniya ke rakhwaale …” but even the most classically trained singer cannot sing “mein hoon jhumroo …”. and that’s the greatness of kk.”
A classical trained singer can sing any type of song. Asha Bhonsle is a good example of that. The same can be said for classical dance also. Helen apart from cabry is also a great Bharat Natayam dancer.
Reasons I have explined above for what made KK do all such funny things and finally were he landed. These are analysis of actual facts from KK websites.
“O Duniya a RaKhwaale” has been attempted by many classical singer and many have failed to reach that level. Infact it took Rafi 28 days of practice to reached Naushad’s expectation initially. Later in 70s he sang with far more perfection and ease at Doordarshan. In a live concert at Royal Elbert Hall, London he sings the line “Mahal Udaas Aur Galian Suni” from the same song in 10 different ways.
“mein hoon jhumroo …” KK’s greatness!, it never establised him as a singer as such.
“matwaale hum, matwaale tum” - in the antara at high pitch KK replaces it with Yoodling. It is drawback not a quality.
Even if KK was a spontaneous Singer it never at all gave him recognition for that. It was only his hard work and perfection which paid him later. Thanks to Dada and elder brother Dada Munni.
June 14th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Probably that there is a kind of simplicity in KK’s songs. Those are tailored in such a way that it flexes easily for an untrained singer. I am not a singer, although I try to grasp the conceptual part of music, however, when I try to hum a few lines, Kishore Kumar songs are easy for me. Public might have liked this aspect of music that was widespread in the early 1970s, whereas, songs given to Manndey, Rafi, Mukesh, and Mahendra Kapoor have a strong base on the scientific part of music. This does not mean that songs sung by Kishore are not based on ragas; all songs are based on one or another raga. But the intensity of those is more in Rafi’s like songs. The songs like koi hum dum na raha are so simple that it flexes before anyone who has an aptitude for music. This does not mean that anyone can become KK. I am just referring to the simplicity of songs
June 14th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
Daer Avi,
Thanks for information about Indian Football team,now I understant why they are not good in Football because they play cricket in the place of football!!!!I think u r Football team will win cricket world.
Jest I was looking Film called Garam Masala MD was RD(70,s Film)but there is no kk songs there was only MOhd Rafi and Ash?!!!!Is it mean that u r famous KK was busy or in the film there was small stars or kk only want sing for super stars as Rajesh khanna and Mr Bachchan?!!!.
I hope u Know Ravi(MD)KK singed many songs under Ravi,Do u know what Ravi said about u r point that Mohd Rafi can’t singed KK songs?!!!!
would u please tell us u r age?
June 14th, 2006 at 2:43 pm
Dear Avi,
If you really want to talk about being famous, you should know that Rafi is more famous than your Kishore across the world. As some other people have already pointed out in this forum, there has been a statistically done that proved that Rafi is the most played and requested voice on radio. So, Rafi is/was not only much superior to Kishore, but also more famous & popular.
You must be seriously deluded to think that Rafi couldn’t have sung the 3 Kishore songs that you have mentioned. Koi Humdum Na Raha etc. will be cakewalks for a singer like Rafi. Rafi could sing at any pace, any scale, and any octave unlike your extremly limited and poor Kishore. Just listen to all the songs that Rafi has left behind and you will know Rafi’s range.
Avi, you are fighting a losing battle. You can go ahead and have XYZ as your favourite, but it’s crystal clear and so black-and-white that Kishore is nothing in front of Rafi as a singer. It’s not even a fair competition!!
June 14th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
dear avi,
famous is always the best and thats why he is faomous. You will accept this if RAFI is famous but get constipation if KISHORE get famous.
Pls. answer why not any other singers stood in front of RAFI except KISHORE. There were many “TEES MAAR KHAN”. After 69, KISHORE not only become famous but pull Rafi’s fame down.
You people can’t change that. Tell me after KISHORE and RAFI who else stood as tall as both. We’ve accepted that but you people have some problem in acepting that.
dear ALI,
Pls. listen one song sung by KISHORE-LATA from unreleased movie, “MOUSAM MASTANA HAI” fantastic/Superb.
As i said honestly in my prev. mail, i can’t differentiate between RAFI-LATA and KISHORE-LATA but my dear friend tell me abt KISHORE-ASHA and RAFI-ASHA.
It will keep ur mouth shut. There are 100+ fabulous songs sung by them but not same in the case of RAFI.
Dear ALI, U r changing track by statihng Football n Cricket. This is old jumla and its doesn’t fit here.
CAN RAFI SANG:
1. NA KOI DIL ME SAMAYA
2. KOI HUMDUm NA RAHA
3. TUNE ABHI DEKHA NAHI DEKHA HAI TO JAANA NAHI
No my dear friend, Rafi would have fainted (u people r forcing me to write).
But tell me single Rafi song which could not have been sung by any singer.
Dear Ali, we definetely ask football team to practice cricket so that they can be master in both and win both.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
Dear Avi and Shankar,
As u said many times that songs which singed by Mohd Rafi any SINGER can sing that song but which songs singed by kk no one can sing that songs Dear Avi and Shankar do u know Why?!! because if u take ur Indian Football team to win Cricket world,I hope u understant what I mean.
Dear Avi and Shankar I think u know that what is famous should not be the best al time,As u said that which songs singed by M Rafi or Lata are less famous as KK,dear please listen these songs again and say by honestly if u know about Music who singed these songs best way M Rafi and Lata or u KK???!!!!!!!!!
June 14th, 2006 at 8:07 am
dear anonymous, finally u get the point i was trying to make. it’s ok to praise rafi, since he is one of the greatest playback singers in india ever, but it’s also important to realize that other singers have their own talents.
June 14th, 2006 at 8:05 am
dear none, ur idea is correct but translation is wrong. comparing rafi to kishore is like comparing filtered water to spring water.
one is purified by constant filteration and method (rafi) while the other is free-flowing and naturally pure (kishore).
June 14th, 2006 at 5:45 am
Comparing Rafi to Kishore is liking comparing diamond to charcoal.Both are singers, just like diamond and charcoal come from the same oar. But the difference is huge. Rafi is a diamond, and Kishore, well you should now know the answer.
June 14th, 2006 at 2:11 am
Hei freind,
None of us are denying the versatality of KK. I myself wrote a paraody about the greatness of both singers. We are all unnecessarily debating, whereas we all accept and respect both the legends. Sorry, if the words I used to qualify KK’s songs offended you!