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	<title>Comments on: Rafi Sahab did not get Bharat Ratna</title>
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		<title>by: Binu Nair</title>
		<link>http://www.mohdrafi.com/meri-awaaz-suno/rafi-sahab-did-not-get-bharat-ratna.html#comment-32590</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>why this comparison - kishore and rafi?? when its settled that rafi leads by far in all types of songs and kishore regarded rafi as his guru....

i think the issue is settled and we must be "busy" enjoying and taking rafi works - far and wide.

Binu Nair, mumbai.... binus2000@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why this comparison - kishore and rafi?? when its settled that rafi leads by far in all types of songs and kishore regarded rafi as his guru&#8230;.</p>
<p>i think the issue is settled and we must be &#8220;busy&#8221; enjoying and taking rafi works - far and wide.</p>
<p>Binu Nair, mumbai&#8230;. <a href="mailto:binus2000@hotmail.com">binus2000@hotmail.com</a>
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		<title>by: arushi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i want to show all the kishore lovers how immature he was and tell all of u abt the  personality of great m.rafi and..... kishore

On Thursday, July 31, 1980 after composing the song Shaam phir kyun udaas hai dost for the movie Aas Paas with Laxmikant-Pyarelal , Rafi asked if he could leave for home. L-P were surprised because Rafi would be the last person to leave the recording session. While leaving, Rafi said once again "OK. I will leave." Rafi died at 10.50 p.m. on the same day due to a massive heart attack. His funeral procession was one of the largest Mumbai ever witnessed. The Republic of India mourned his death, and there was public holidays for two days in his honor.Shammi Kapoor, who was shooting outside Mumbai, rushed back to attend his funeral in Mumbai. Later, the Padma Shri Mohammed Rafi Chowk in the Bandra suburb of Mumbai was named after him.............................................................................................

kishore:Kishore Kumar stopped singing for Amitabh Bachchan in the mid-1980s, after Amitabh didn't do a guest appearance in a film produced by him. He also stopped singing for the actor Mithun Chakraborty, after Yogeeta Bali divorced him and married Mithun.
Kishore Kumar is said to have been paranoid about not being paid. During recordings, he would begin singing only after his secretary confirmed that the producer had made the payment.Once, when he discovered that his dues hadn't been fully paid, he landed up for shooting with make-up on only one side of his face. When the director questioned him, he replied "Aadha paisa to aadha make-up." (Half make-up for half payment).On the sets of Bhai Bhai, Kishore Kumar refused to act because the director M V Raman owed him five thousand rupees. His brother Ashok Kumar persuaded him to do the scene. But, when the shooting started, he walked across the floor and, each time he walked a few places, he said, "Paanch Hazzar Rupaiya," (five thousand rupees) and did a somersault. After he reached the end of the floor, he went out of the studio, jumped into his car, and ordered his driver Abdul to drive away.
On another occasion, when the producer R. C. Talwar did not pay his dues, Kishore Kumar turned up at Talwar's residence one morning and started shouting "Hey Talwar, de de mere aath hazaar" ("Hey Talwar, give me my eight thousand"). He did this every morning for a few days, until Talwar paid him.

rafi sahab:Once, when a minor composer, Nisar Bazmi did not have enough money to pay him, Rafi charged a fee of one rupee

kishore:once Kishore Kumar was to record a song for the producer-director G. P. Sippy. As Sippy approached his bungalow, he saw Kishore going out in his car. Sippy pleaded him to stop his car, but Kishore only increased the speed of his car. Sippy chased him to Madh Island, where Kishore Kumar finally stopped his car near the ruined Madh Fort. When Sippy questioned his strange behavior, Kishore Kumar refused to recognize or talk to him and threatened to call police. Sippy had to return. Next morning, Kishore Kumar reported for the recording. An angry Sippy questioned him about his behavior on the previous day. However, Kishore Kumar insisted that Sippy must have seen a dream, and claimed that he was in Khandwa on the previous day.
Kishore Kumar was also noted for defying producers and directors. Once, a producer went to court to get a decree that Kishore Kumar must follow the director's orders.

rafi:Rafi recorded two English albums. One of them is Pop Hits.

u should realise the real fact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want to show all the kishore lovers how immature he was and tell all of u abt the  personality of great m.rafi and&#8230;.. kishore</p>
<p>On Thursday, July 31, 1980 after composing the song Shaam phir kyun udaas hai dost for the movie Aas Paas with Laxmikant-Pyarelal , Rafi asked if he could leave for home. L-P were surprised because Rafi would be the last person to leave the recording session. While leaving, Rafi said once again &#8220;OK. I will leave.&#8221; Rafi died at 10.50 p.m. on the same day due to a massive heart attack. His funeral procession was one of the largest Mumbai ever witnessed. The Republic of India mourned his death, and there was public holidays for two days in his honor.Shammi Kapoor, who was shooting outside Mumbai, rushed back to attend his funeral in Mumbai. Later, the Padma Shri Mohammed Rafi Chowk in the Bandra suburb of Mumbai was named after him&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>kishore:Kishore Kumar stopped singing for Amitabh Bachchan in the mid-1980s, after Amitabh didn&#8217;t do a guest appearance in a film produced by him. He also stopped singing for the actor Mithun Chakraborty, after Yogeeta Bali divorced him and married Mithun.<br />
Kishore Kumar is said to have been paranoid about not being paid. During recordings, he would begin singing only after his secretary confirmed that the producer had made the payment.Once, when he discovered that his dues hadn&#8217;t been fully paid, he landed up for shooting with make-up on only one side of his face. When the director questioned him, he replied &#8220;Aadha paisa to aadha make-up.&#8221; (Half make-up for half payment).On the sets of Bhai Bhai, Kishore Kumar refused to act because the director M V Raman owed him five thousand rupees. His brother Ashok Kumar persuaded him to do the scene. But, when the shooting started, he walked across the floor and, each time he walked a few places, he said, &#8220;Paanch Hazzar Rupaiya,&#8221; (five thousand rupees) and did a somersault. After he reached the end of the floor, he went out of the studio, jumped into his car, and ordered his driver Abdul to drive away.<br />
On another occasion, when the producer R. C. Talwar did not pay his dues, Kishore Kumar turned up at Talwar&#8217;s residence one morning and started shouting &#8220;Hey Talwar, de de mere aath hazaar&#8221; (&#8221;Hey Talwar, give me my eight thousand&#8221;). He did this every morning for a few days, until Talwar paid him.</p>
<p>rafi sahab:Once, when a minor composer, Nisar Bazmi did not have enough money to pay him, Rafi charged a fee of one rupee</p>
<p>kishore:once Kishore Kumar was to record a song for the producer-director G. P. Sippy. As Sippy approached his bungalow, he saw Kishore going out in his car. Sippy pleaded him to stop his car, but Kishore only increased the speed of his car. Sippy chased him to Madh Island, where Kishore Kumar finally stopped his car near the ruined Madh Fort. When Sippy questioned his strange behavior, Kishore Kumar refused to recognize or talk to him and threatened to call police. Sippy had to return. Next morning, Kishore Kumar reported for the recording. An angry Sippy questioned him about his behavior on the previous day. However, Kishore Kumar insisted that Sippy must have seen a dream, and claimed that he was in Khandwa on the previous day.<br />
Kishore Kumar was also noted for defying producers and directors. Once, a producer went to court to get a decree that Kishore Kumar must follow the director&#8217;s orders.</p>
<p>rafi:Rafi recorded two English albums. One of them is Pop Hits.</p>
<p>u should realise the real fact
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		<title>by: hemant</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>alan u have done a gr8 job by telling many of us such an as ---Astonishing---facts                           give my thanx to ur friend who gave so much true information.now i have realised who is a true singer-1who just sings and 1 who is made to sing...kishore is not a singer indeed but a reader of lyrics like many in the country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alan u have done a gr8 job by telling many of us such an as &#8212;Astonishing&#8212;facts                           give my thanx to ur friend who gave so much true information.now i have realised who is a true singer-1who just sings and 1 who is made to sing&#8230;kishore is not a singer indeed but a reader of lyrics like many in the country
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		<title>by: alan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>well,it feels heartbreaking when i see indians not knowing abt the quiality of a singer.i am working with a news agency in ohio.in this profession i came to know abt m.rafi and i heard his song .his voice was unmatchable in the tracks i listened , though i was not able to understand a word of it except "yahooo!!". i came for a survey related to the singers in india and wat i found was surprising.i found that in the cities people prefered the new songs(hip-hop kind) and in the rural areas almost whole crowd listening music ,was biG fan of m.rafi .and then it was mukesh. negligible amount of people were interested in listening to kishore's song.that is true.i asked one of my friend-who was an indian abt the gr8 singers in india.so he gave me a brilliant reply--"when m.rafi was alive and b'fore his haj(as some1 told him that singing is prohibited in Islam on haj trip) only few songs were played on radio which were in the voice of kishore that to were containing words that made people laugh"jhum jhum jhumroo..."or had excellent kyrics so people listened them as a joke or just listened the lyrics and music but not to enjoy singing . but it was only after m.rafi's death that kishore gained popularity.kishore was getting work in the film industry just b'coz of his brother Ashok Kumar (dadamoni)- a gr8 actor of that time who once told kishore that he can not b'come a singer as he can'sing.so it was not his voice but the helping hand of many others.another fact is that kishore almost had no "bhakti" song in his pocket that requires lots of pitch variations and i could b sung by a true singer like m.rafi (O Duniya Ke Rakhwale,Insaf Ka Mandir Hai Yeh,Mujhe Apni Sharan Mein Lelo,Sukh Ke Sab Saathi ,Jai Raghunandan Jai Siyaram....),mannaday,lata can sing " ....remember the fact that - "a singer is born as a singer and not made in to a singer-voice is GOD gifted"............ so my dear indians do not put acid on the jewel(m.rafi) of ur country as he is uncompareable to any singer or so called singer(kishore-who was made into a singer by help of many).......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well,it feels heartbreaking when i see indians not knowing abt the quiality of a singer.i am working with a news agency in ohio.in this profession i came to know abt m.rafi and i heard his song .his voice was unmatchable in the tracks i listened , though i was not able to understand a word of it except &#8220;yahooo!!&#8221;. i came for a survey related to the singers in india and wat i found was surprising.i found that in the cities people prefered the new songs(hip-hop kind) and in the rural areas almost whole crowd listening music ,was biG fan of m.rafi .and then it was mukesh. negligible amount of people were interested in listening to kishore&#8217;s song.that is true.i asked one of my friend-who was an indian abt the gr8 singers in india.so he gave me a brilliant reply&#8211;&#8221;when m.rafi was alive and b&#8217;fore his haj(as some1 told him that singing is prohibited in Islam on haj trip) only few songs were played on radio which were in the voice of kishore that to were containing words that made people laugh&#8221;jhum jhum jhumroo&#8230;&#8221;or had excellent kyrics so people listened them as a joke or just listened the lyrics and music but not to enjoy singing . but it was only after m.rafi&#8217;s death that kishore gained popularity.kishore was getting work in the film industry just b&#8217;coz of his brother Ashok Kumar (dadamoni)- a gr8 actor of that time who once told kishore that he can not b&#8217;come a singer as he can&#8217;sing.so it was not his voice but the helping hand of many others.another fact is that kishore almost had no &#8220;bhakti&#8221; song in his pocket that requires lots of pitch variations and i could b sung by a true singer like m.rafi (O Duniya Ke Rakhwale,Insaf Ka Mandir Hai Yeh,Mujhe Apni Sharan Mein Lelo,Sukh Ke Sab Saathi ,Jai Raghunandan Jai Siyaram&#8230;.),mannaday,lata can sing &#8221; &#8230;.remember the fact that - &#8220;a singer is born as a singer and not made in to a singer-voice is GOD gifted&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; so my dear indians do not put acid on the jewel(m.rafi) of ur country as he is uncompareable to any singer or so called singer(kishore-who was made into a singer by help of many)&#8230;&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Meenu</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 09:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Siddiqui ,

Your comment -
we can here more kishores in every nook and corner as his voice is not inimitable as of rafi 

My comment -
Peolpe copy all good things. You can find rafi clones too e.g.
Shabbir kumar, Mohamad aziz, Anwar  and  in many musical orchestras there are many clones , but they all are far away from Rafi saahab.

Inimitable  voice is - Talat Mahamood's. I have not seen any clone  till date.
Atif from Pakistan have that style be he lacks silky and soft voice of Talatji</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Siddiqui ,</p>
<p>Your comment -<br />
we can here more kishores in every nook and corner as his voice is not inimitable as of rafi </p>
<p>My comment -<br />
Peolpe copy all good things. You can find rafi clones too e.g.<br />
Shabbir kumar, Mohamad aziz, Anwar  and  in many musical orchestras there are many clones , but they all are far away from Rafi saahab.</p>
<p>Inimitable  voice is - Talat Mahamood&#8217;s. I have not seen any clone  till date.<br />
Atif from Pakistan have that style be he lacks silky and soft voice of Talatji
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		<title>by: siddiqui</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i like both the singers but one should accept the fact that rafi was better than kishore hence we can here more kishores in every nook and corner as his voice is not inimitable as of rafi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like both the singers but one should accept the fact that rafi was better than kishore hence we can here more kishores in every nook and corner as his voice is not inimitable as of rafi
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		<title>by: Nair</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, in the last sentence of first para, what I meant is that Kishore's rendition was really not up to the mark. For him RD tunes are the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in the last sentence of first para, what I meant is that Kishore&#8217;s rendition was really not up to the mark. For him RD tunes are the best.
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		<title>by: Nair</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Ashu,

Good effort from your part to elevate your favorite singer to those heights where he himself would have, if sat, felt very uncomfortable. Well, we have our own tastes and perspectives. However, I would like to comment on one point; the degrading comparison you have made, after declaring that it is wrong to compare both singers, on the song “Man re tu kahe na dheer dhare”. It was a song sung originally by Mohd. Rafi; a song recently judged on the basis of a survey among the music world of Bollywood as the best song of the millennium. Mohammed Rafi who rendered the song has been judged as the most influential singer of the millennium. Now, by singing that song, although as a tribute, Kishore Kumar showed that he is not even worthy of comparison with Rafi. 

My friend both singers are good indeed…..Kishore Kumar deserve a comparison with Rafi on the basis of the popularity he also had in the 70s. On the basis of music, Kishore is not worthy of comparison with Rafi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ashu,</p>
<p>Good effort from your part to elevate your favorite singer to those heights where he himself would have, if sat, felt very uncomfortable. Well, we have our own tastes and perspectives. However, I would like to comment on one point; the degrading comparison you have made, after declaring that it is wrong to compare both singers, on the song “Man re tu kahe na dheer dhare”. It was a song sung originally by Mohd. Rafi; a song recently judged on the basis of a survey among the music world of Bollywood as the best song of the millennium. Mohammed Rafi who rendered the song has been judged as the most influential singer of the millennium. Now, by singing that song, although as a tribute, Kishore Kumar showed that he is not even worthy of comparison with Rafi. </p>
<p>My friend both singers are good indeed…..Kishore Kumar deserve a comparison with Rafi on the basis of the popularity he also had in the 70s. On the basis of music, Kishore is not worthy of comparison with Rafi.
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		<title>by: mohanflora</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bandita, Kya hosh mein ho kya?                                         
In which world or planet are you living in? And how much exposure do you have to indian film music? There has been and never can be as great/better singer than Rafisaab. The songs of the RDB/Kishore combine seem so stale and "being plagiarised from other sources" and you feel in a refreshing mood after a Rafi hearing. Most songs of Rafisaab in his "so-called second coming" are now identified as classics and where are RDB/Kishore's songs  of the same era ? Visit the Rafi-Kishore saga page on this site and your arguments will vanish just like did those of the Kishore protagonists on that page. Even though I liked Kishore in the early 70's but in the long run I came to know who was"lambi race ka ghoda" Rafi, Of course!
Besides to compare, you need to have equal or more or less equal bodies of work. Kishore only had the 70's and 80's while Rafi had 50's, 60's, 70.s and part of 80's. So just don't even think of comparing them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bandita, Kya hosh mein ho kya?<br />
In which world or planet are you living in? And how much exposure do you have to indian film music? There has been and never can be as great/better singer than Rafisaab. The songs of the RDB/Kishore combine seem so stale and &#8220;being plagiarised from other sources&#8221; and you feel in a refreshing mood after a Rafi hearing. Most songs of Rafisaab in his &#8220;so-called second coming&#8221; are now identified as classics and where are RDB/Kishore&#8217;s songs  of the same era ? Visit the Rafi-Kishore saga page on this site and your arguments will vanish just like did those of the Kishore protagonists on that page. Even though I liked Kishore in the early 70&#8217;s but in the long run I came to know who was&#8221;lambi race ka ghoda&#8221; Rafi, Of course!<br />
Besides to compare, you need to have equal or more or less equal bodies of work. Kishore only had the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s while Rafi had 50&#8217;s, 60&#8217;s, 70.s and part of 80&#8217;s. So just don&#8217;t even think of comparing them!
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Bandita my sympathies your musical taste. Keep it up.</description>
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