Hamare Rafi
This information is shared by RAFI PUJARIS.
“HAMARE RAFI” = “RAFI PUJARIS” are found in largest number in India as well as all over the World. Rafi Pujaris would celebrate Rafisaab’s birthday on every 24th Dec. They did it this year too. “HAMARE RAFI” a group of RAFI PUJARIS celebrated their dearest Rafisaab”s 83rd birthday at Rafi Mansion, Bandra. A large number of Rafi Pujaris were present: Shri A.Narayan (Singer), Kishore Makwana (Singer), Bharat Dave (Artist), Hitesh Makwana (Singer & Graphic Designer), Shri B K Arte (Treasurer Cine Society), Dr .Ram Kataria (Dentist), Shri Kiritbhai Bhuta (Businessman), Shri Anil Mehta (Advocate), Arvind Solanki, Chanderbhai, Atulbhai Makwana, Tushar Trivedi, Manish Karnik, Dr.Yunus Sumra (MBBS) and Many more.
“HAMARE RAFI” Pujaris has organised free stage shows for Sr.Citizen At M M K College, Bandra under supervision of Shri Nandlal Jumani, B.E. a Social Worker and many more on 10-02-2008. “HAMARE RAFI” Organise such shows to encourage aspiring youngsters to sing Rafi Saab”s melodious songs.
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“HAMARE RAFI” formed by not a SINGLE PERSON but by “RAFI PUJARIS” named, Shri A Narayan (Singer), Kishore Makwana (Singer) Bharat Dave (Artist) Hitesh Makwana (Singer & Graphic Designer) Arvind Solanki, Atulbhai Makwana, Tushar Trivedi, Chander (Commercial Artist) Manish Karnik & Shri B K Arte (Treasurer- Cine Society, Mumbai) and many more. No one can claim that he is a FOUNDER of HAMARE RAFI. RAFI PUJARIS are also connected with “RAFI FAN CLUB”, ULHASNAGAR and also get guidance from them, also participated in their musical programmes. Dr. Prabhu Ahuja is a President & Shri Anup Madnani is a Vice President of this BIGGEST Rafi Fan Club of India.
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For Details Contact:
email: hamarerafi@yahoo.com, hamarerafi@rediffmail.com
Shri A.Narayan: 9819 56 56 53/93233 84755
Shri Kishore Makwana: 9969 12 01 58
Shri Bharat Dave: 9869 11 33 45
Shri Hitesh Makwana: 9867 49 31 26
Dr. Prabhu Ahuja: 9822 01 82 75….RAFI FAN CLUB ULHASNAGAR
Shri Anup Madnani: 9422 57 38 39….RAFI FAN CLUB ULHASNAGAR
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March 18th, 2008 at 12:00 am
ref to post 22::
mr.unknow,
im agree wd u that kishore was far more great actor than singer, his comic timing was superb…but rafi ji was singing phenomenon like none other, no one was close to him..
March 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am
One has to be a properly trained singer to at least get the sur and taal correct. Then matching each and every range sung by Rafi Sahab is secondary. Still many singer after this could achieve some thing with lot of effort and strain. Where as what ever Rafi Sahab Sang was effert less.
March 16th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Ref: post 11
I for one wouldn’t subscribe to the often-quoted ‘Kishore has the voice, but Rafi can sing better’ thing. Personally speaking, KK’s voice, heavy and macho as it is, is not in the same league as Rafi sahab’s. I know several people (both musically well-educated and novices) who find KK’s voice too rough and not melodious at all. However I am yet to come across someone who thinks of Rafi sahab’s voice as non-melodious (although there have been charges such as the voice being not macho enough). I would like to term KK as a ‘different’ singer with a ‘different’ voice and I feel it’s this ‘difference’ (esp. vis-a-vis Rafi sahab) that has brought him the success he enjoyed.
March 16th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
as I think if we speak about KK body language I think it same as Shammi Kapoor.as I thinK If KK used mohd Rafi voice as an actor as did Shammi kapoor today kk was knew as great actor(as I think)
In this I don’t mean that KK was not good singer offourse he was good singer and actor I like him as an actor more than singer.
who have the answer,How many songs singed by KK on Manoj Kummar and Raj Kapoor.on Shammi Kapoor if I am not wrong only one song after 1980
March 16th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
ref 19,
It is one thing to successfully sing a song it is something else entirely to do the same justice as Rafi Sahab. I think Amit Kumar did the former e.g. successfully sing Aadmi Musafir Hai. That song is not difficult to sing - even I can do it and stay in tune - (which does NOT mean that my rendition is even 1% of Rafi’s). Amit Kumar could certainly sing that song - if he refused to do a second time - he probably didn’t bother too. Remember, he should have been the successor in the 90s but for whatever reason he didn’t bother.
March 16th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Re. Post # 19: It’s not easy to sing Rafi Saheb’s songs.
March 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am
there was programm on Zee TV on KK long time back when Amit kummar son of KK tried to sing Mohd Rafi song he was not able to sing it public on the stage said sing it again but Amit kummar said some other time he will sing it but he never.
as I think and many more of us we don’t need programs on Mohd Rafi because who want to be the best singer he should sing Mohd rafi songs
March 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Well just to comment on the classical angle. If KK was classically trained then possibly he could have never been an actor. He would have been a full fledged singer. It is indeed very surprising by his mentor SDB never insisted KK to learn classical singing, may be it never suited his mood or body language.
March 15th, 2008 at 4:17 am
Dear Korti-ji,
Excellent post as always, and Thanks for those anecdotes as well, they’re great.
I fully agree with your analysis, Rafi is miles ahead of any singer. Illayaraja, the southern genius MD, summed it up nicely when he said that his favourite singers are Rafi, Yesudas, SPB, and then went on to say, “but Rafi is Rafi”.
March 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
dear myk
i couldn’t agree with you more. there was no way anyone could beat rafi. for many reasons. first, his voice was god’s own. secondly he had the craft, ability and his hold on the sur and taan was unique. he was master of mood creation and his throw of words was such that it was his own inttelectual copywright. all these multi-talented dimensions made him out of this world. manna dey has shared with me how he was wary when rafi was singing with him or was even present at the recording room to await his turn. he acknowledged that though he himself was classically better trained, rafi made short work of him by sheer virtue of his voice. he recalled the mashal days when his uncle k c dey was once getting another young singer to sing a song for him. manna felt slighted and hurt that the senior dey was not using him. “but when i heard the young man singing, i just lay prostrate at my uncle saying i had made a grave mistake. i can never be able to sing like him,” he said pointing his finger to the shy, young man. “that was my first glimpse of rafi,” manna recalled.
myk you are right. classical training helps, but that’s not the end in itself. we have umpteen singers who have classical background, but the voice culture is not strong enough to make the kind of impact rafi was able to. the fact of the matter is there won’t be another rafi, howsoever they struggle to find one. let’s be prepared to live in a world without rafi. and we have nothing to lament about. rafi has done enough to last centuries. suresh wadkar told me a few years back that rafi sang almost everything under the sun. “hamare liye kuch bacha hi nahi hai,” he admitted. as for salilda, despite his musical proximity with kishore, told me that he would always be loved to be addressed as “tute huye khwabone wala salilda.”
March 14th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Ref post no 1 by me, I had actually met Mr. Shrikant Narayan of the keep alive group and not mr a narayan. sorry for the mix up. i was duly corrected by mr binu nair ji. thanks binu ji.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Real fact is that Kishorekumar and rafisahab was the playback singers, while imitating this 2 singers we want become playback singers, but i will congrulate this Hamare Rafi group.
shashank_72@rediffmail.com
March 14th, 2008 at 7:32 am
i apologize! wrong forum! - i meant to post this at another web site - i will request admin to remove that post - it does not belong here - i apologize!
March 14th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Ref Post 11:
You have to remember, classical training is not everything. Manna Dey had much more training than Rafi, yet could he reach the place occupied by Rafi ?, ofcourse not.
Salil seems to imply that classical training will take you far. Yes it definitely will, but only up to a certain point. The rest is natural talent and god-gifted ability.
Back to the Manna-Rafi example, Manna had more classical training than Rafi, yet Rafi could sing classical songs better than him. Pandit Gyan Prakash Ghosh considered Rafi the best exponent of classical songs.
Even if Kishore had classical training, he would never have been able to reach Rafi. At the end of the day, its like comparing apples and oranges, they’re poles a part. Atleast Salil acknowledges that Rafi is the greatest by saying “the place occupied by Rafi”.
March 14th, 2008 at 4:09 am
Only stating facts doston…here’s salil on rafi & kishore…
“There is no doubt that Kishore possessed an exceptional voice. But
voice alone is not everything. I have to say that if Kishore had
classical training he would have been a different Kishore. Not only by
popularity, but also by the yard stick of qualitative merit of singing
Kishore could have reached the place occupied by Rafi. However, if I
have to evaluate Kishore as a singer, it would probably be fair to say
that Kishore brought in a new style of singing - something close to the
pop style. In this style, there was no one close to him. I can say
that with confidence.”
http://bhadra.wordpress.com/2006/07/02/kishore-kumar-and-salil-chowdhury/
i’m not trying to sell this to anyone - take it as you wish. i don’t always believe a famous musician myself. although salil does appear to be objectively analyzing here.
March 13th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Thank You Very Much to every body to encouraging pujaris of HAMARE RAFI .
March 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
post 7: well said hussain bhai. i am agreed with you. Rafi saab does not need any publicity like k for kishore.
I want to share my experience to prove this,
I am working on an American assignment for support activity, I have my heelo tune set to Rafi sahab’s evergreen number” Aaj Mausam bada” from Loafer.regularly americans call me on my cell, once one of the american seniors called me on my cell, he just dicussed about the hello tune, I just asked should I change it? the gentleman said “please don’t change ot, its really a sweet melodious voice, let it be there. I gave him a brief about Rafi Sahab.This is magic of Rafi Saab.
Majeed Khan
cell#9892361112
March 12th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
post 2 , manish ji
well said, with u 100%
March 12th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Post 4: K for Kishore is just a publicity and off key bathroom singers are presented in the show, as someone said. Rafi Saheb doesn’t need such publicity. World know the abilities of Rafi Saheb.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
my heartiest congratulations to ‘hamare rafi’ group for their efforts to keep alive the Rafi magic and creations.
ref to post no. 4 : it is too late to start a programme R- for Rafi mazic like K for Kishore to show the Rafi Saheb’s mazic to new generation of the whole world.
regards
biman baruah
Sivasagar, Assam
March 12th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
i don’t support programs like k for kishore or r for rafi because kishore & rafi are both INIMITABLE. i’d rather encourage a singer to come up with his own original voice. trying to imitate the kishore personality - one will become an unintended caricature (only kishore was kishore). trying to imitate rafi - one will never succeed - the man had unprecedented talent & magic - one will appear hollow. trying to be your own singer - some day that singer may have his OWN magic and voice and personality. udit narayan is an original singer and imo he has been the most successful since the untimely partings of rafi & kishore.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Why cant we start a programme like K for Kishore for Md.Rafi saab, from that the younger generation can undersand the power of rafisaab.\
There are lot of singers who sings like him example sonu nigam, who will be as judge and other film personalities to start this programme.
From this programme we can tell the whole word about rafi saab in each episode.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:07 am
but yes - it is good to see rafi fans unite and bring forth the memory of the maestro so music lovers from all generations will make sure to experience his magic. rafi sahab will always be alive through his fans - said many times - but very true eacn and every time. thanks for the article and keep up the good work.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:05 am
not that this article describes such - but i discourage some fans from being fanatics and actually doing puja of rafi sahab. treat the man for who he was - a great, saintly, god fearing man. farishta is the perfect word to describe rafi sahab - as a singer and as a person.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Congratulations to ‘hamare rafi’ group. i have met shri a narayan sahab here in Hyderabad when he came twice for musical programmes of the ‘keep alive’ troupe of mr manohar iyer. i had also the great pleasure of speaking to shri makwana sahab over the phone once when shri p narayanan sahab from bangalore had visited hyderabad. i have noted down the email ids given in the write up and request them to be in touch with us at the rafi foundation - hyderabad chapter - at abadrafi@gmail.com or with a s murty at 093912 67272. thanks for providing the information on the great work that these true rafians are doing. if we can be of any assistance to you, sirs, at hyderabad, please feel free to contact. jai rafi sahab.