Did R.D.Burman really preferred KK over Rafi?
This article is written by Mr.H.V.Guru Murthy.
A regular browser to web site mohdrafi.com, having gone through the letters of Rafi lovers would assume that R D Burman did not utilize Rafi properly, instead he preferred Kishore Kumar. Because of this reason, Rafi Fans are still upset with RDB even though he passed away a decade back.
Yes, it is true that RDB preferred KK over Rafi during early seventies. For that matter, which Music Director or Actor or Producer or Director will not have his preference. It was well known that Raj Kapoor always preferred Mukesh, Manoj Kumar preferred Mukesh or Mahendra Kapoor, B.R.Chopra films had Mahendra, MD Ravi also had plenty of songs with Mahendra so also O.P after he broke with Rafi. Similarly OP always had either Asha or Geetha Dutt and never Lata. Salil also used all other Singers. Director Subba Rao insisted on Mukesh for SAATHI even though the hero was Rajendra Kumar and MD Naushad, two Rafi Fans. Even Kalyanji Anandji had many films with Mahendra Kapoor, Mukesh and KK even though Rafi was instrumental in their raise through JAB JAB PHOOL KHILE, AAMNE SAAMNE, etc. LP, by all means Rafi Bhakts, used KK regularly in the early seventies even for Rafi heroes like Jeetendra, Dharmendra, etc. SJ also switched over to KK in movies like MAIN SUNDAR HOON, DIL DAULAT DUNIYA, KAL AAJ AUR KAL, etc. Of course, the music standard came down a notch or two in that period. But, well, it is their prerogative to have whomsoever they wanted though I am sure in heart of heart, why even openly, they would have admitted the superiority of Rafi over all other Singers. Similarly, RDB also used KK for almost all his movies in the early seventies as perhaps he had some special chemistry with him.
However, let us not forget that RDB used Rafi extensively during late sixties as his main playback singer right from the first movie. He gave hit music with Rafi in TEESRI MANZIL, NAQLI NAWAAB, CARAVAN, PYAAR KA MAUSAM, THE TRAIN, ABHILASHA, ADHIKAR, RATON KA RAAJA, etc. Later during late seventies he returned to Rafi and gave hits like SHAAN, HUM KISISE KUM NAHIN, ABDULLAH, ZAMANE KO DIKHANA HAI, etc. In between, he had Rafi in CHANDI SONA qawali with Mannadey (Ek Shok Hasina Se), YADON KI BAARAT (Title song and who can forget the duet with Asha Chura Liya Hai Tumne), DIL KA BAADSHAH (this Raj Kumar starrer had all songs by Rafi), THE GREAT GAMBLER (Raftasa Mera Naam), SHEHZADA (Solo Tere Attaroo and duet with Lata Kaahe Ko Bulaya), etc.
If a person cannot appreciate the greatness of Rafi, then it can be safely concluded that the person does not have a sense of music. Of course, RDB was a good MD though not a great MD like Naushad, Madan Mohan, OP Nayyar, SDB, etc. RD would have definitely known the great qualities of Rafi, the Singer. Just because he did not use Rafi extensively as one would expect, let us not degrade this MD who gave us some good songs in CHANDAN KA PALNA, PADOSAN, HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA, MERE JEEVAN SAATHI, AJNABEE, AMAR PREM, SANAM TERI KASAM, BHOOT BANGLA, BAHARON KE SAPNE (Rafi solo Zamane Ne Maare), PARICHAY, KINAARA, APNA DESH, ZAHREELA INSAAN, RAMPUR KA LAKSHAMAN (Pyaar Ka Samay with Lata, KK and Rafi), 1942 – A LOVE STORY, KATI PATANG to certain extent, etc. though he gave some very mediocre music in films like DEEWAR, SHOLAY, KITAAB, ZAKHMEE, RAFOO CHAKKAR, NAMKEEN, DHARAM KARAM and BIWI O BIWI (so un-RK film like), etc. so many forgettable movies as for as music was concerned.
The irony of RDB was either he gave good music or petered out to a very mediocre music in so many films. I read some where that Shashi Kapoor called RD as National Anthem Music Director. In those days, theatres used to play National Anthem at the end of the movie and the Hall doors used to be shut till the completion of the Anthem. As soon as the Anthem used to commence, our in-disciplined people used to rush to the Hall Door and wait for the door opening. Similarly, whenever RDB songs commenced in most of the movies, people used to rush to toilet.
Still, it is not fair that we use harsh and sometimes, un-parliamentary language against any body if they differ with our views. We cannot forget the contribution of all these MDs, Heroes, Singers, Directors, etc. in making the Indian Film Music so rich.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Anil Cherian,
Many of the keralites or even south indians SIMBLY don’t understand or speak hindi properly and they rarely listen to hindi songs. This doesn’t apply to south indians grown and brought up in other states. Now if you say all the keralites only listen to rafi songs then i would suggest you to listen to KK songs also! You will enjoy it.
There is no fun with out variety! Yesudas is a great singer but he has serious limitations when it comes to singing variety of Hindi songs! Similarily KK cannot sing malayalam songs like Yesudas because every language has its own feeling which is very much tied to the culture. There is no way Yesudas can compete with Rafi or KK when it comes to Hindi songs. And when it comes to malayalam songs Rafi or KK can’t even go near Yesudas.
Many keralites feel S.Janaki is better than Lata. Personally i don’t like S.Janaki’s voice; i luv lataji’s melody. Sometimes it’s a matter of taste.
I SIMBLY enjoy good songs of all the singers
and I personally rate KK on top.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Re. Post 643: Listen to “Pyar hai ek nishaan kadmon ka…”, it is far better than KKs “Chingari koi bhadke…..”.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
mr.myk,
it was nice list by you but why haven’t you added year 1961 into that mix, rafi’s songs from chhote nawab were also excellent.. what do you think??
there was “ilahi tu sun le hamari” .. excellent composition and rendition
and just listen to rafi ji in “matwali aakho wale” .. rafi ji is sounding very distinct in this song, what do you think, i think this was the sign of things that were going on pancham’s mind and he applied it in late 60s .. lata is superb too but singing in her own style but rafi ji is just phenomenal …
and what about pancham’s very first quawwali with rafi ji and shamshad from the same movie - “koi aane ko hai dil machalne laga” and there was excellent song “aam chum taam chhum” in the genre of children songs…
i think this album was excellent too, what do you think???
May 14th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
mr.myk,
pancham composed many nice trendy duets for rafi ji, “o hasina” , “aaja aaja main hoon pyar tera” and “saaso mein kabhi” was no exception rafi ji stealing show here, “mujhse bhala ye kajal” is also nie number from movie “the train”, pancham also composed nice duets for rafi ji from movie “raaton ka raaja” ..
by the way there is a song from ehsaan(1970)- “tauba yeh adayen” , nice trendy masti mood song by rdb and rafi ji is as usually melodious with lots of punch, what is your take on this song??, i think composition is alright but music and rendition is nice…
also i think pancham was one of the best for rafi ji in late 70s, what do you think?? they have songs in many genres- quwwali, jazz, romantic, traditional, classical, club songs, songs with arabic touch, pop, pathos ..
May 14th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
mr. anil cherian,
here is link to “pyar hai ek nishan kadmo ka”
http://www.esnips.com/doc/eab0396d-65c5-4bf1-95f9-be998c0bd4b2/PYAR-HAR-EK-NISHAN–1
no i haven’t saw rd memorial concert, but few years ago i watched the “tribute to rd-ye shaam mastani” where spb sung many of his songs, infact he whole heartedly praised his “shivranjini” based composition from “khel khel mein” song was “sapna mera toot gaya”, spb mentioned how well rdb based this raaga in western flavour, he sang one more “shivranjini ” based song “mere naina sawan bhado” which he sung so well, spb sung his idol rafi ji’s “chand mera dil” as well..
May 14th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
mr. anil cherian,
here is link to “pyar hai ek nishan kadmo ka”
http://www.esnips.com/doc/eab0396d-65c5-4bf1-95f9-be998c0bd4b2/PYAR-HAR-EK-NISHAN–1
no i haven’t saw rd memorial concert, but few years later i watched the “tribut to rd-ye shaam mastani” where spb sung many of his songs, infact he whole heartedly praised his “shivranjini” based composition from “khel khel mein” song was “sapna mera toot gaya”, spb mentioned how well rdb based this raaga in western flavour, he sang one more “shivranjini ” based song “mere naina sawan bhado” which he sung so well, spb sung his idol rafi ji’s “chand mera dil” as well..
May 14th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
REFER POS 633 FOR SH.GURUMURTHY JI,I AM NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR OBSERVATION THAT RAFI SAAB COULD NOT HAVE SUNG THE SONG FROM `HALF TICKET`.I WILL REQUEST YOU TO LISTEN THE SONG `ERI RI RAKA ,FROM `DO USTAAD`,MD NAYYAR SAAB AND I AM SURE YOUR OPINION WILL CHANGE AFTER HEARING THE COMPLETE SONG
May 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
For Mr.XXX:
I haven’t listened to ‘pyar hai ik nishan….’ recently, I searched it in the youtube but couldn’t find it. Could you provide any link to the song?
‘Raina beeti…’ is indeed a masterpiece. Did you watch K.S.Chitra singing it in the RDB memorial concert. Great as she is, she couldn’t exactly recreate Lataji’s magic.
Isn’t it somewhat ironic that RDB’s best compositions are pretty much ‘Indian’ though he is generally spoken of as ‘Western style composer’?
For Mr.Myk:
I was wondering why some of the better Rafisahab songs in the ’70s (not just RDB tunes, but several others as well) didn’t get the attention/appeal it deserved. It’s another story that music lovers are sitting up and noticing them now. You have just touched upon the same subject. What could be the reasons for this? Was it solely on account of the so called ‘wave’ or is it that people wanted a change or could it be that those kinds of songs were considered out-dated at that point of time?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Mr. XXX,
If Pancham and Rafi-saab revolutionized film music with TM and HKKN, then in the 80’s they also brought in a different sound with Shaan. “Yamma Yamma”, “Naam Abdul Hai Mera”, and “Janu Meri Jaan” along with the other songs were all great.
Shaan is an extraordinary album, it has all the james bond thriller and western elements, as well as the RD stamp, excellent music. “Yamma Yamma” was the only time Rafi and Pancham sang together and what a song it was. Check out the wonderful music in this song, especially the violin in the second interlude. “Naam Abdul Mera” has nice harmonica pieces. Do you think Pancham played the harmonica in this song ?.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Mr. XXX,
“Pyar hai ik nishan qadmon ka” was the Hindi version of “Modhumash jaaye” which was sung by Pancham in Bengali. It is definitely one of Rafi’s best 70’s songs, and one of Pancham’s all-time best creations. The music in both the Hindi and Bengali versions is similar, but in the Hindi version there is an extra stanza with extra music. Ofcourse singing-wise the Rafi version just blows away the Pancham version, but Pancham did an alright job in the Bengali version. I sometimes feel “Pyar hai ik nishan qadmon ka” didn’t get the credit it deserved. I feel in Mukti, it was overshadowed by Mukesh’s “Suhani chandni raatein” and the lori by Mukesh/Lata. The Rafi gem is definitely the best song of the album, miles ahead of the other songs. Although Mukesh sang his two songs very well, Rafi would have turned “Suhani chandni raatein” into gold, just like he did with every song.
Songs like “Pyar hai ik nishan qadmon ka”, “Zamane ne maare jawan kaise kaise”, “Tumhein dekha hai maine”, “Pal do pal ka saath hamara” are better than anything KK sang for Pancham, including those songs from Amar Prem, Aandhi, Mehbooba etc.
“Raina beeti jaaye” is definitely one of Lata’s best 70’s songs. Pancham composed excellent songs for her and made excellent use of her voice right from the 60’s to the 90’s. “Ae ri pawan” is one of Lata’s best 80’s songs, and so is “Aisa sama na hota”.
Pancham should definitely be known as a “Rafi composer” as well, he made fantastic use of Rafi’s vocals too. Every time Rafi-saab and Pancham came together, the result was innovative, creative, fresh and ahead of its time songs. I am choosing one song from each year (1966-1980) to illustrate my point:
1966 - Tumne Mujhe Dekha- Teesri Manzil
1967 - Zulfon Ko Aap - Chandan Ka Palna
1968 - Ek Janib Sham-e-Mehfil - Abhilasha
1969 - Kabhi Kabhi Aisa Bhi - Waris
1970 - Gulabi Aankhen - The Train
1971 - Rut Hai Milan Ki - Mela
1972 - Jao Jao Tum Bhi Jao - Dil Ka Raja
1973 - Aye Jaan-e-Wafa - Chhalia
1974 - Aa Raat Jaati Hai - Benaam
1975 - Champa Khili Daar - Faisla (released in 1975, film came out in 1988).
1976 - Nagma Hamara - Bundalbaaz
1977 - Chand Mera Dil - Hum Kisise Kum Nahin
1978 - Mohabbat Mein Aji Kya - Phandebaaz
1979 - Raqqasa Mera Naam - The Great Gambler
1980 - Pal Do Pal Ka Saath Hamara - The Burning Train
Btw, Mr. XXX, what do you think about these two duets, “Mujhse bhala yeh kajal tera” (The Train), and “Sanson mein kabhi, dil mein kabhi” (Parchhaiyan). Both are very melodious, and are fantastic compositions. In the first one, Pancham uses the instrument spiraling technique. Both duets are trendy, fresh, and romantic.
Also, I feel the 1975-1980 phase is where Pancham became more mature as a composer. In this time he came out with such albums such as Aandhi, Kinara, Mehbooba, Mukti, Ghar, Abdullah, Devta, Karm, Manzil, Jurmana, while still coming out with albums in his trademark style such as HKKN, Khel Khel Mein, Shaan, The Great Gambler, The Burning Train and so forth.
As you mentioned Pancham revolutionized film music with Rafi in TM and HKKN, and gave many of his best ever creations to Rafi-saab. “Maine Poocha Chand Se” and “Pal Do Pal Ka Saath Hamara” as well as “Hum Jab Ek Saath Hai” are three of Pancham’s best 80’s songs sung by Rafi-saab. I would put them among the Top best of the 80’s overall.
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I’m not sure if Manohari ever played for RR, it would be interesting to find out if he did or not. Not a lot has been written about RR’s musicians or his camp, but hopefully we will find out more in the future.
How about “Mujhe Chhu Rahi Hai” by RR from Swayamvar, that is one of his best ever creations sung by Rafi, and one of the best songs of the 80’s as well. RR also used Lata’s vocals in a great way, and was one of her best latter-day composers. Some examples:
Pal bhar mein yeh - Swami
Tere bin kaise din - Priyatama
Dheere Dheere Sun More Sajna - Ek Hi Raasta
Yeh Raatein Nahin Purani - Julie
Tumse Mila Tha Pyar - Khatta Meetha
Aap Kahen Aur Hum Na Aaye - Des Pardes
May 13th, 2008 at 8:40 am
ref to p 628 of mr.anil cherian::
iam a fan of both lp & rdb, and yes you are right that lp’s mediocre albums are typical mediocre, better than those of rdb but check out that lp came out with more mediocre albums from 1973-90 in comparison to rdb, but i have nothing against l-p, their melodies from 1963-70 is enough to eclipse the trendsetting music of rdb during those years, by the way, composers(lp,rd,ka,rr,rj).. all of them used rafi and lata in 70s but in my view rdb came out with best song for both of them(among his contemporaries)do you agree??
pyar hai ik nishaan kadmo ka for rafi ji
&
raina beeti jaaye for lata ji
sajjad hussain called the second song as best projection of this raaga(todi) till date…
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mr. myk,
your research on md rajesh roshan is tremendous, the link that you have provided is an excellent duet, iam totally agree with you, rr gave his most melodious duets to rafi … ragarding his use of suman, i don’t know why he opted suman, but suman did excellent job too..
by the way,did musician manohari singh ever played for rr?? do you know something regarding this, iam asking so because manhori played for his father many times, perfect example is “zindagi bhar na bhoolegi wo barsaat ki raat”.
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mr, sanjay arora ,
agree with most of your points, rdb never came close to the class of sj,naushad, mm,sdb etc…
May 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
ref post 612,the list i posted was in response to the mail of anil,and if you read my comments it was to find out kk gems .i am fully convinced that rdb was way ahead of his contemprories md of repeat his time ,but not way ahead of giants like opn,sj,madanmohan saab,naushad saab.the craps of rdb are more than the combined musical scores of opn,madanmohan saab and nauhad saab put together.
It is very easy to criticise rather than to be creative,and i repeat rdb was one of the most creative md
May 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
ref post 612,the list i posted was in response to the mail of anil,and if you read my comments it was to find out kk gems .i am fully convinced that rdb was way ahead of his contemprories md of repeat his time ,but not way ahead of giants like opn,sj,madanmohan saab,naushad saab.the craps of rdb are more than the combined musical scores of opn,madanmohan saab and nauhad saab put together.
It is very easy to criticise rather than to be creative,and i repeat rdb was one of the most creative md from 66 till hkkn.
May 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
refer post 627,it has been medically proved that fast food leads to all types of illness and at the end of the day the `thali ` is the greatest and the best food.ultimately rafi saab`s voice is food for ears.
RAFI SAB WAS THE MAIN (MALE ) INGREDIENT IN THE THALIS .
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELTY RIGHT I ALWAYS PREFER A THALI ,WITH THE MAIN (MALE ) FOOD FOR EARS.
May 12th, 2008 at 11:47 am
For Mr.Myk:
‘In the South, KK is not even considered to be a singer’. 100% true. I can vouch for that, as a South Indian. We Keralites consider Rafisahab as our own (though singing in a language not really spoken in the state). When we speak about singers (esp. playback singers) generally 2 names come to picture- One’s Rafi sahab and the other of course is our own ‘Gandharva’ K.J.Yesudas sir. Rafi V Yesudas is a common discussion topic in orkut and elsewhere (although it never gets nasty, unlike Rafi V some other singer). The scenario is pretty similar in Tamil too, over there it’s Rafi sahab and SPB sir. Generally K.K is spoken of as a ‘different’ singer who was good at certain things and who was/is very popular with the masses.
May 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am
refer post 624,you have time to write mail,but no time to go thru my list,my second list is waiting to be posted.
However if kk was so versatile in singing bhajans please advise why rdb in his another crap `takkar`got the bhajan `nandkishor makhanchor `sung by badshah and not by your versatile ?kk and foer the sake of record please also advise why rdb got the qawali in `The Burning Train `recorded in the voice of badshah,even though it is a known fact that badshah was not rendering songs for BR films.
The truth is that kk was never a versatile singer and the list you are forwarding is after rendering hundreds of crap songs under rdb,anybody can sing 8 -10 songs which according to you are great songs.
please advice when i can mail my second list.
May 12th, 2008 at 8:58 am
ON 10th May, I had the oppertunity to attend Mannadey Night at Chowdiah Memorial Hall at Bangalore, where Amin Sayani was also present and he interviewed Mannda in-between. The evening form 7 pm to 10.30 pm was very enjoyable and we were transported to our younger days.
Two of the statements / incidences narrated by Mannda would be of interest to all music lovers.
While talking about Madan Mohan, Mannada spoke in glowing terms about MM’s Gazals and said that MM composed wonderful Gazals with Lata and Rafi, and howsoever much he tried, he could not sing like them.
It seems one mid night, Mannada got a phone call from KK and KK urged Mannada not to sing and record a particular song next morning as the same would be picturised on KK. When Mannda asked why they want him to sing KK’s song, KK it seems replied that the Producer had not paid him his money and hence, KK is hiding in Mahabaleshwar. What a humorous personality KK had?
May 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Dear friends,
Let us appreciate Mr. Anilji, because you can find lot of improvement from Post No. 596 to 624. True, Anilji, most of the songs listed in post no. 624 are good and I am sure, would be liked by all music lovers. But just because of these songs, you cannot say that KK was the best singer. Any MD will agree that composing and singing Qawali and Classical tunes are much more difficult than singing Bhazans or Romantic songs or Gazals. And it is true that KK came a cropper while singing qawalis and classicals. Who wre the three best qawals in the hindi film music - Rafi, Asha and Mannadey. Who were the three best classical singers - Rafi, Lata and Mannadey. Please for God’s sake by quoting some rubbish songs, do not degrade KK. KK had his plus points and we still cherish some of his songs especially prior to seventies.
Personally I feel, the only song whioch KK sang and which Rafi could not have sung was from the movie “Half Ticket” - “Aake Seedi Lage Dilpe Jaise”, where KK sang both in male as well as female voice.
May 12th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Don’t waste your time with a person who says that LP gave more gems to KK than to Rafi and Lata, or that LP have more gems with KK than Rafi and Lata. It shows the lack of musical knowledge that this person has. It’s a universal fact that Rafi and Lata received not only LP’s best songs, but have more gems with LP than any other singers.
Moreover, Rafi and Lata are the only singers who have the best songs, and most gems, with the majority of MD’s. KK was primarily backed only by RDB.
May 12th, 2008 at 2:22 am
Rafi had the best voice ever, a golden voice, miles ahead of KK’s voice. Rafi had range, versatility, was gifted, and was the complete singer. KK and everyone else were miles behind Rafi.
Rafi, Lata and Asha are considered to be the three greatest singers of all time. KK doesn’t make the cut, he had severe limitations which were exposed.
Anil is quoting some people about KK, I could quote many more people about Rafi’s greatness. The majority of musicians, MD’s, singers etc. are all of the opinion that Rafi is the greatest male singer ever. Also, aside from what others say, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that Rafi is the greatest.
“Humein tumse pyar kitna” was definitely modified for KK, just like “Mere naina sawan bhadon” and other songs, because KK could not sing classical songs.
May 11th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Anil:
LOL another hilarious post by you (as usual), filled with the usual dose of nonsense. He thinks KK never lost his top position when he did. He has failed to realize facts, as well as the truth, that Rafi had more hits from 1977-1981 than KK, the BGM from 1979-1981 was dominated by Rafi, yet he thinks KK was the top singer. Rafi had already taken over Kishore by the time he passed away on July 31, 1980.
No matter what RD said about Kishore, he knew Rafi was the better singer. Why did RD shy away from KK when it came to qawwali’s as well as most classical songs ?. It again proves KK’s limitations.
Btw, “O Duniya Ke Rakhwale” is considered to be the greatest song of all time, and is loved by a huge number of people, and countless other Rafi songs are loved by many people around the world, maybe you might not like them, but it doesn’t diminish the fact that everyone loves Rafi songs more than KK songs, due to the quality factor. You have listed pedestrain songs in your attempt to over-ride KK’s limitations, but you haven’t succeeded, and instead made a joke out of yourself.
RD did prefer Rafi to KK post 1975, just check out the quality of the compositions and you will know. Whatever Rafi sang for RD was gold, and half of what KK sang for RD is pure trash.
Anup Jalota’s voice doesn’t resemble KK’s in any way, so stop hitting the head with a nail by mentioning this point. During KK’s time there were many bhajans, but KK was not capable of singing them so no one gave him any bhajans. Qawwalies is another genre KK could not sing in, so don’t try and write nonsense that KK could sing it. Anything KK was weak at you don’t conisder offbeat, but something he could sing you consider it as offbeat, quite hilarious, and it shows you hardly have any musical knowledge and are trying to cover up KK’s limitations, but sorry it won’t work, they’ve already been exposed a long time back. There are so many other genres KK could not sing in, ghazals is one of them, and yet you want to compare him to a singer who’s miles ahead of KK and any other singer. The majority consider Rafi to be the first and last word in singing, only people like you who hardly have any knowledge compare singers like KK to Rafi.
You don’t know any facts, so please don’t comment. RD didn’t prefer Rafi to a limited extent, they have many songs together. LOL your counteraatck to LP story holds no ground because post 1975, LP were already ahead of RDB, and RD’s overuse of KK was his downfall. However RD realized that after and its a good thing he did, and we got many more classics from the RD-Rafi combo. RD’s trump card was not KK till the end, the number of RD-KK great songs after 1975 can be counted on one’s fingertips. RR has more great songs with KK post 1975 than RD does. RD produced more greats with Rafi than he did with KK after 1975. RR also produced great music with Rafi as well. Most MD’s preferred Rafi to KK, and that’s a fact, nothing you say will change that.
You wrote:
“i want people to look at kishore from other angle of depth, softness, ellectric taans, superb sad song rendition a greta voice”
No one is denying KK was a good singer, but Rafi is miles ahead of him in all those characteristics that you mentioned above. Everyone is judging KK as a total singer, which he is not, he was far behind not only Rafi, but many other singers in India as well. In the South, KK is not even considered to be a singer, and yet you claim all these high things about KK when the truth is he wasn’t even half of what you say he was.
Please stop writing such nonsense and foolish things here, if you want to contribute, then contribute positively, with good points, not rubbish points that are a figment of your imagination. This is why no one here is taking you seriously because your lack of knowledge has been exposed and you’re writing such trash.
May 11th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
For Mr. Sanjay:
‘Aaj mausam….’ is a singer’s nightmare… the sustained high-pitch singing is the ultimate litmus test (even bigger than reaching a crescendo from a lower note and sliding back). Rafisahab does an absolutely marvelous job here (as only he could/can). And that voice never weakens/wavers anywhere in that 5 and odd glorious minutes.. just wishing that people who speaks of deep/strong voice (esp. in connection with certain other singers) listens to this song closely and tries to visualise anyone else singing this song as beautifully…
May 11th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
For everyone:
Please note that there are two Anils here in the discussion..may I suggest everyone to use surnames too (just to avoid confusion)?
For Mr.XXX.
It’s true that L.P had many mediocre songs under their belt. But to me there’s a difference between them and RDB. L.P’s mediocre scores were just that.. mediocre,.. they were tolerable to an extent; but RDB’s mediocre scores? They were really bad (speaking personally), loud and crass (like Bappi’s songs)…Would you agree with me?
May 10th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
MR. SANJAY ARORA:
THE MDs YOU MENTIONED (NAUSHAD SAAB, SJ,MM) SERVED SUMPTUOUS ‘THALIES’ FOR LISTENERS, RAFI SAHAB BEING A MAJOR INGRADIENT OF MANY (IF NOT MOST) OF THEM. RDB (AS A RULE, THOUGH THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS) SERVED CRISPY, LIGHT FAST FOOD WHICH A GENERATION SIMPLY LAPPED UP. WE PEOPLE PREFER ‘THALIES’, ANYDAY. AM I RIGHT?
May 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Anil:
I would like to add, that “if” you feel RR had something to do with “yeh jeevan hai” then that is your own thinking. “If” you are trying to say that he may have had a hand in some of LP’s songs, then that is again your own thinking. I feel RR inherited the best qualities from LP, and they taught him a lot of things in those five years that he assisted them. Many a times assistants have had a hand in some songs of MD’s, but only RR would know if he had a hand in some LP songs, as well as what he did for LP, and for that you’d have to ask him about it.
But “if” you’re trying to take away credit from LP or anyone else in general, please don’t, as its foolish and the wrong thing to do, and also please don’t spread other overblown or nonsense statements on this site.